Economy

[pablo vinc]

Hi, I have a couple things about money, economy.
1) It's very hard earn money in this game if U play in devisions e,f or g. Adverstisiment is very cheap I think, money from the tickets prices are not very big ( i have 130.000 - 190.000$ per home game; 12.000 capacity, and 14.000 fans and for about 80.000$ for players and anothers costs) so when U playing away game U loose some money and when U want to upgrading your stadium U should have a couple milions...
So my prepositions are:
-A little bit cheapear seats on the stadium ( mayby 800.000$ for 1.000 seats / 7 days etc); - try to give maybe 20%- 50% more fans to each club... -
2) The wosrst thing in this game ( but I very like SP) is economy budget.. U can't see how many did U earn or loose. , just expanses and incoming..
The better way will be when U can check how many did U earn from home game ( tickets, bars , TV ), how many from advertisiments and how many from transfers and etc.. The same expanenses ( away game, transfers etc) And on the bottom- bilans yours incoming and expenses money.. U can check: U loose or U earn money during season.
3) The lat one thing: What are going to do when U have a little bit more money?? For ex: Manager have 4$-7$ budget, good stadium, a lot of fans and many players so he doesn't wonna expenses money for this things. The money stiil on the accounting and doesn't work!!
The good idea i think will be have a possibility to invest the money to some bank or the other thing ( stocks etc)..The money could work for us and our clubs....
What do U things about my couple points..??I really like this game but i thing We should still go forward...
Rorry for my english but i hope U understant my words...

Have a nice day
Paolo

[Arkzein]

Increasing the money supply (Or decreasing it for that matter) is always an iffy issue and even slight changes can have unforseen effects. For example say all G teams started with 1,000,000 more, it could have a cascading effects on prices as lower players fetch more, so higher teams have more money, so higher players costs more etc. etc. and inflation runs riot.

Things don't seem too bad to me right now, players go for reasonable amounts, from a few hundred thousand for terrible players, a few million for decent players right up to 20,000,000 for the true super stars. Since the transfer market is a good indicator of matters on the macro level it would seen things are rather well balanced at present. Perhaps youths going for so much is a bit unrealistic, but that's a matter on how they are handled rather than the economy.

The stadium issue is a bit neither here nor there. At present it takes about 2-4 seasons to earn back the costs depending on your fanbase, ticket price, how you manage advertising and what formula you use but afterwards you're into profit. Definately a long term investment but then you have to factor in hyperbolic discounting (prefer something now rather than more later) and the fact most people aren't purely rational and factor in only a few rounds ahead.

Therefore I would agree to decresing cost to built and hence time to recover the outlay but also increase the maintenance costs so that rather than a long wait to recover the outlay then a constant large profit, a shorter time to recover and a constant, lower, profit afterwards. Again with changes it;s hard to see what will happen, it could reduce funds and now +1000 seats eventually yields less profit or it could greatly increase funds in the game on an aggregate level as now far more players decide on stadium expansion.

As for the format of the accounting records I would have to agree here. A weekly breakdown page, perhaps with a form where you can select what to factor in. (ie, everything, just league games, also cup games, friedlies, transfers, boarding etc.) But this seems to be a running feature in several areas (lack of forms) that I'm sure will be sorted some time or other.

As for what to do when you have lots of money? Thank your lucky stars for a start. Seriously though, again with the interest you have to think about how much it would flood the market with. Personally I wouldn't change anything here unless something useful/amusing as a cash sink could be envisioned. Perhaps some extra youth training incresing your chances of recieving one, or a good one if you do, for example. (Seems understandable that larger clubs have more chance of getting a youth or a good one when investing millions into youth schemes)

Finally, it isn't too hard to make money in the lower leagues, just the means are a bit different. Playing the transfer market is one, buying low, training, selling high. Also you may get lucky with some carefully picked friendly cups. I've done allright for myself this season, though seems I am always craving more funds to bring in more players dispite millions flyinf in both directions on the transfer market.

[robborover]

the accounting idea is good. i'd like to see more options there too.

money is difficult in sp (as anywhere), but you really don;t need to buy expensive players anyway.

i sold my teams best players for 6 million, built up my stadium and bought a load of untrained players at around 100-500k each. i then sell these on to make money.

in 2 weeks i'll have my hyper modern youth centre and will be able to start selling and buying better players.

just hang in there!

[pablo vinc]

Yaeh, but when U will be live with buying and seeling players U never be good teams!!! Yours rating will be low so it have no sense...
I sold my best player ever 3 seasons ago for 25 milions$ so I built the seats and upgrade my stadium and bought 3 players... Big clubs have to earn money in another ways...
I know its easy to speak but I hope the accounting will be more easier than now and we'll could check how many we earn or loose...
Paolo

[sljivovica]

Hi, I have a couple things about money, economy.
1) my prepositions are:
-A little bit cheapear seats on the stadium ( mayby 800.000$ for 1.000 seats / 7 days etc); - try to give maybe 20%- 50% more fans to each club... -

I agree that it's very expensive to make your stadium bigger, and it takes a really long time to get that investment back. So expanding the Stadium could be a bit cheaper. I wouldn't mess too much with the fanbase. It will grow over time...

3) The good idea i think will be have a possibility to invest the money to some bank or the other thing ( stocks etc)..The money could work for us and our clubs....

I would not want this. It is a soccergame, not a banking-game
There is a way to invest your money, although it is risky like every other investment
See what players are too cheap, or even for free. Try to get them, and right away sell them for more money. I think you can really make a lot of money that way. I don't do it because it will mess up my teamspirit, and winning is more important to me then money

[Carbone]

I registered just today. Maybe I should learn more about the game but i see a lot of nonsences. The Economy and money is holy ****. The costs of football field should be 10-40 times the amount. Parking should be 15 times the amount. Restrooms - minimum is 5 times. Lighting - 5-10 times. Bars - minimum is 10 times. Scoreboard - 20 times. Whole Economy is not balanced (costs, wages, market etc.).

Yes, it might work but in funny way.

[Sjarel]

...The good idea i think will be have a possibility to invest the money to some bank or the other thing ( stocks etc)..The money could work for us and our clubs....

This would only advantage teams that don't spend any money and just keep saving, which imho we should not encourage.