youth center

robborover · Post by **robborover** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:47 pm

you have to learn from your own mistakes. after-all can you manage it lol.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:58 pm

All right Paul, you know the game perfectly well, we are not talking about this. H division players doesnt know that much, so the will use youth players and 55% players. Its notional.

Red_Army_Squad · Post by **Red_Army_Squad** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:02 pm

Haven't read all of the replies, but this is what I think:

I agree that managers have to decide whether a player is good enough for the team or not. I (re)started to play this game and I am now in de H-division.
I have players who probably will become approximately 70% maybe less.
A youngster from a youth centre who is good enough for your team, will become 80%(minimum). A bad youth players will, as some players in my original team approximately 70%. So I see no diffrence between a bad youngster and a bad players which I already had.

But this idea was already proposed a couple of times, by me and also some other managers, and the admins remain quite and they won't really want to answer to this question..

cercel_jr · Post by **cercel_jr** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:16 am

Off Topic: Lee400 sorry if you think that I talk rude with you but I don't know why you think that you know very well this game because you don't.
And also you think that the other guys should talk to you like you are some kind of "king " or something like that.

Also you say i'm rude but you don't see yourself.
Maibe you ar in SP for a longer period than me but I see your team is only in F after 7seasons, and I'm in E after 5 seasons and I will survive because I have a good team. OK Maibe we 2 are a little bit equal but how can you say somthing like that to kennyanu who is way more experienced than you and has a team wich survives for 4 seasons in C division.
You are rude.

And I don't want people to be on my side ,I just want them to tell their opinion. But you want to have people on your side, no mater what they say as long as they are on your side.

Paul_G -> Can you tell me please the magic formula with wich you find that a youth player will be X GR.

I assure you that there is nothing that can tell you this, no magic formula , no SPMT, nothing. These are gest aproximations.

On-topic: In real life the manager decides if a player(youth or not) can come at the club or not.
Some of us refer to reallity because the programers are trying to make the game more realistic.

And once again: You can't know if a youth player will stop at 55 GR or X>55 GR. Because he is a youth with no maxed skils so no math to do.

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:24 pm

cercel_jr wrote:Paul_G -> Can you tell me please the magic formula with wich you find that a youth player will be X GR. I assure you that there is nothing that can tell you this, no magic formula , no SPMT, nothing. These are gest aproximations.

Why do you keep insisting that I'm claiming I know how to do that? Dude... these are my EXACT words from earlier in the thread:

Paul_G wrote:And Cercel, I don't know if a player will be X GR if he isn't fully trained

As I also said before, I don't think that this suggestion is a horrible idea. However, I do think it's a horrible idea if nothing else is changed at the same time to complement it. If we get youth players who are worthless, then we either need more roster spots, or we need to scale youth creation so that teams that invest more get better quality youths.

I agree that the way youths are handled should be more realistic. But there are better ways to do it than saddling people with worthless players, or giving good youths consistently to players who invest nothing.

cercel_jr · Post by **cercel_jr** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:29 pm

This is what you said:

"And Cercel, I don't know if a player will be X GR if he isn't fully trained, but do the math... "

What did you mean with "do the math"?

I was gest confused.

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:30 pm

cercel_jr wrote:This is what you said:

"And Cercel, I don't know if a player will be X GR if he isn't fully trained, but do the math... "

What did you mean with "do the math"?

I was gest confused.

It goes in line with the rest of my post. You and Helios were making the argument that people buy young players for a lot of money, while having no idea what their hidden skills were. If you read that entire post, you'll see that my point was that if the quality of youth players on the transfer market becomes crap, which it will if this idea goes through, then people won't buy young, untrained players for a lot of money anymore.

Maybe 'do the math' was the wrong expression. But it's simple common sense that says people won't pay lots of money anymore for players who have a good chance of being completely useless.

Helios · Post by **Helios** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:14 pm

Paul, look at the last 18yrs old 19% player. How much does he cost right now? 3mil. And he is the most crappy one in the transferlist. Cant you see it? Everyone still gives money for these youngsters. That player can be the worthless player ever. But as you see...

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:31 pm

Helios wrote:Paul, look at the last 18yrs old 19% player. How much does he cost right now? 3mil. And he is the most crappy one in the transferlist. Cant you see it? Everyone still gives money for these youngsters. That player can be the worthless player ever. But as you see...

People aren't paying $3 million for a 19% player. No-one is that stupid. They're paying $3 million because of how good they think he's going to be when he's maxed out.

How good are maxed out players now? They range from 70% to 95% or so, right? So they're paying that $3 million for a player who will end up in that range, hopefully in the top part.

Now let's says that this rule passes, and maxed out players will now range from 50% to 95%. Do you think people are still going to pay that much for untrained young players then?

cercel_jr · Post by **cercel_jr** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:02 am

OK Paul_G now that you clarified the situation, I understand very well your point, and after a little bit thinking, you are right.
So this ideea of promoting all the youths is no good for the game and for the managers because it lowers the GR of the players and we don't want that.

At the begining I thought it is a good ideea but I did't analyse all the possible situations.

In the future I will think twice before posting a new ideea.

Thank you all for posting and thank you Paul_G.

kennyanu · Post by **kennyanu** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:06 am

this was discused before!! if you look. is was started by vaciux i think

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:56 am

i hoped i will get an answer from a staff member

(an administrator?)

and for other guys from here:i had 100% youth coordinator and the last 2 players were too weak for my team.now i have 50% youth coordinator an i get a youth player.how can a 50% YC train better a player that a 100%YC?

jar · Post by **jar** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:02 am

You will see the difference between the coordinators when your player will be maxed out... If the player is good or not for your team, this is 50% random.

jejej · Post by **jejej** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:20 pm

unicool wrote:i hoped i will get an answer from a staff member (an administrator?)

and for other guys from here:i had 100% youth coordinator and the last 2 players were too weak for my team.now i have 50% youth coordinator an i get a youth player.how can a 50% YC train better a player that a 100%YC?

I have 100% youth coordinator and last youth player came to my team in may.

lee400 · Post by **lee400** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:04 pm

cercel_jr wrote:Off Topic: Lee400 sorry if you think that I talk rude with you but I don't know why you think that you know very well this game because you don't.
And also you think that the other guys should talk to you like you are some kind of "king " or something like that.

Also you say i'm rude but you don't see yourself.
Maibe you ar in SP for a longer period than me but I see your team is only in F after 7seasons, and I'm in E after 5 seasons and I will survive because I have a good team. OK Maibe we 2 are a little bit equal but how can you say somthing like that to kennyanu who is way more experienced than you and has a team wich survives for 4 seasons in C division.
You are rude.

OFF TOPIC: TO CERCEL JR;

1) I know this game better than you do. I may not know lots, but I have been helped, and I am always helped by the managers who played this game since season 1.
2)Its not that I want to be treated like a "king" mate. You just do not understand the word "rude". Find it up on the dictionary. You'll find that it is an ordinary word.
3)Congratulations for getting in E. But learn some facts noob. Some divisions are harder than the others. Check E 75, the one I will be going up to. If you could get hold of SPFA, then you'll find out on the statistics that this division is THE hardest E division on the whole server. The F division I am in is actually harder than half of the E divisions.

Learnt a lesson??? And open to everyone, this is why I opened a new topic saying we should be able to move divisions a couple of months ago. I have no intention of playing this game being called a shit and useless manager.