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Why would this hierachy be so important?zandyy wrote:I don’t understand the idea here.
At the moment, some positions are worth more than others. An SW is worth less that an LF, that is worth less than an LM, that is worth less than a CM. This is one of the basic fundamentals of the game, and a lot revolves around it. If you make SW’s able to play also as CB’s, you in effect make them more valuable than CB’s, which are now the second-most valuable position.
The hierarchy in value is one of the most basic issues for strategic planning in this game. Experienced managers know how to use this hierarchy. Some do play with SW’s; some would rather invest in CF’s and don’t use RF’s and LF’s. Changing this will change everything basically. And what for? Because someone’s unhappy about receiving an SW as a youth?
It's interesting to have players at different importance, but why a SW would be rockbottom beats me.
In RL a SW is worth bucketloads of gold.
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This specific hierarchy isn’t holy, and as you say it is not even realistic, but if you change it now, whole teams’ valuations will alter extremely, and that will be even less realistic, nor fair. Every idea has pros and cons and in this case it seems to me the cons outweigh the pros by a mile. It sounds more of an opportunistic idea than anything else - and I apologise if that wasn't the intension of the author, but this is what it comes down to.SBroccoli wrote: Why would this hierachy be so important?
And anyway, in any hierarchy there has to be one position that is the least valuable. Here, as things stand it is SW. It could have been another position. Does it matter in essence?
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In soccerproject there are few managers that play with a 5 defenders tactic, where SW's can play at their best in the middle between the CB's.SBroccoli wrote:Why would this hierachy be so important?
It's interesting to have players at different importance, but why a SW would be rockbottom beats me.
In RL a SW is worth bucketloads of gold.
As a result they are not bided and their price is lower than the price of the same players on other positions.
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sweepers are players who can play at each position, left, middle, right. mostly behind the other defenders. why is asweeper here only useful in a 5 man defending system. he should play good in each position, so he becomes very important. like he is an RB,CB,LB all in one
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I still don't know if the SW plays in position in 5-4-1 or not???
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In that case, I'd call it an overstatement to call the SWs 'garbage'.
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i don't think sweepers are players who play well everywhere (in the defense). In field, the role of a sweeper is in the back of the CBs, the last player in front of the keeper. Like Lothar Matthaeus was. Like Baresi or like Beckenbauer. In the modern football there has been a slight movement of this position in front, becoming a DM (defensive midfielder) so the tactic needing a sweeper is not used anymore.gerben wrote:sweepers are players who can play at each position, left, middle, right. mostly behind the other defenders. why is asweeper here only useful in a 5 man defending system. he should play good in each position, so he becomes very important. like he is an RB,CB,LB all in one
bunicutzu wrote:i don't think sweepers are players who play well everywhere (in the defense). In field, the role of a sweeper is in the back of the CBs, the last player in front of the keeper. Like Lothar Matthaeus was. Like Baresi or like Beckenbauer. In the modern football there has been a slight movement of this position in front, becoming a DM (defensive midfielder) so the tactic needing a sweeper is not used anymore.gerben wrote:sweepers are players who can play at each position, left, middle, right. mostly behind the other defenders. why is asweeper here only useful in a 5 man defending system. he should play good in each position, so he becomes very important. like he is an RB,CB,LB all in one
But Greece is the reigning European Champion and they played with a SW on the EC 2004.
So maybe the modern football is wrong?
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The biggest problem in 5 man defence formation (where a SW plays it's best) is you still need 2 good CB. And if you already have 2 good Cb you prefer 4 man defence rather than 5 b'cos it gives you more options in midfield/forwards settings.
So people in SP rarely use 5 man defence and the SW become the neglected unfortunate soul.
So people in SP rarely use 5 man defence and the SW become the neglected unfortunate soul.
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The logic is very simple guys. Consider the most costly positions: CB, CM, CF (leaving GK whom you need in a match anyway).
So in SP with 5 defence system you have 2 formation option : 5-4-1 and 5-3-2
In 5-4-1 system you need 2 CB + 2 CM + 1 CF = 5 Costly Positions
In 5-3-2 systems you need 2 CB + 1 CM + 2 CF = 5 Costly Positions
Whereas in 4-3-3 and 3-4-3 formations
4-3-3: 2 CB + 1 CM + 1CF = 4 Costly Positions
3-4-3: 1 CB + 2 CM + 1 CF = 4 Costly Positions
The most costliest strategy is 3-5-2 and 4-5-1 so they are rarely used.
In SP there is no special points awarded for your formation strategy so people will always prefer a low cost strategy. That's why most of them play with 4-3-3 or 3-4-3.
So in SP with 5 defence system you have 2 formation option : 5-4-1 and 5-3-2
In 5-4-1 system you need 2 CB + 2 CM + 1 CF = 5 Costly Positions
In 5-3-2 systems you need 2 CB + 1 CM + 2 CF = 5 Costly Positions
Whereas in 4-3-3 and 3-4-3 formations
4-3-3: 2 CB + 1 CM + 1CF = 4 Costly Positions
3-4-3: 1 CB + 2 CM + 1 CF = 4 Costly Positions
The most costliest strategy is 3-5-2 and 4-5-1 so they are rarely used.
In SP there is no special points awarded for your formation strategy so people will always prefer a low cost strategy. That's why most of them play with 4-3-3 or 3-4-3.
Partially true, but the actual formation isn't always about cost, but also tactics.
So even if a 5-4-1 might be a more expensive formation, it could still pay off.
So even if a 5-4-1 might be a more expensive formation, it could still pay off.
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Btw.: exactly how big a penalty does a SW get for playing CB, LB or RB?
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