Sjarel wrote:I disagree. Topics are only closed when specific bans are discussed. I'd love to see a discussion about this, because I agree it's a very difficult topic.
Thank you for your reply, my friend....
It is difficult to resolve this sort of topic without having specific bans to refer to. The word 'reasonable' is, by nature, incredibly abstract. What is reasonable to one may be incredibly unreasonable to another. However, this sort of rule requires someone to judge what is reasonable. The problem lies in assessing where that line actually is.
I believe that this conversation did a perfect job of capturing what I'm saying....
sljivovica wrote:Razvanica wrote:If you had an offer of 1M and another team offers 3M directly, than you should report it and I would consider cheating not doing this.
Razvanica wrote:If the offer grows slowly and 2 or more teams fight for the player, than I see no problem with it. I am sure you understand what is wrong and right, otherwise you wouldn't have played in A division.
I'm not sure if I agree. What if it's 2.5 million? What if it's 2.2? It's hard to tell when you should report, even for an experienced manager like me.
Let's say that I was considering selling a 25 year old RB, with an aggression of 85 and a best performance of 68. What would be a reasonable amount to accept for him?
To try to figure this out, I went into 'Overviews' and searched for players whose stats are in that general area. Here is what I found....
24) RB Rastislav Hancak (24y, 86aggr, 68bp) € 2.800.000,00
25) RB Joël Zambaz (24y, 88aggr, 69bp) € 2.000.000,00
26) RB Rohan Pritchard (26y, 82aggr, 69bp) € 900.000,00
36) RB Geoffrey Jaspers (24y, 83aggr, 67bp) € 1.650.000,00
43) RB Artur Levenets (24y, 85aggr, 67bp) € 1.500.000,00
Statistically speaking, age is a huge indicator of 'fair value' (as evidenced by the relatively low price that was paid for Pritchard). So, what would be a 'fair value' for my 25 year old RB? Could I take the highest amount paid for a 24 year old, subtract the amount for the 26 year old, find the average variance (per year of age), then add it to the amount paid for the 26 year old?
(2.8-0.9)/2 = 950,000 + 900,000 = 1.85 million
But how can that make sense, when I could have gotten a younger player for significantly less?
Now, if you analyze the four 24 year old players, you see a spread of €1.3 million, despite the fact that all four have a bp b/w 67-69 and aggression of b/w 83-88. Can all of this spread be explained by the psychology of auctions? What if I had a 24 year old RB, with a bp of 68 and aggression of 85. What would be a 'reasonable price' and when would it become cheating?
Let's say that I was offered 3.5 million - that is 233% higher than the lowest price, but only 25% higher than the highest price. Would that be unreasonable?
I am sorry for the long reply....
Greg