youth center

[unicool]

maybe this problem was rised another time but i don't agree with the settings for the youth center.i think that is our problem(managers) if we keep the player in club or not.the last 2 players from my youth center were to weak for my team.who know that?maybe i wanted them for selling.we pay money for the youth center and the young players are rejected by the game.maybe we want to keep them in team.and if they are weak the game can announce us but not reject the players.

[cercel_jr]

Yes I agree with unicool.
We are the one's who decide the youth's future, because we gave money for the construction and we also give money to suport the youth center.
I know that it is random but it shouldn't be.

[Helios]

Yes you are right guys, we should decide it. Even the worst youngster goes for at least 1.5mil .

[Paul_G]

Yes you are right guys, we should decide it. Even the worst youngster goes for at least 1.5mil .

They won't go for 1.5 mil anymore, if this change is implemented and people start selling rubbish. I doubt I'd waste my time buying youngsters at all in that event.

I agree that there should be major changes to how youths are handled, but this isn't a good way of changing it. If you get a youth player who tops out at 55 GR, then what good does that do anyone? All you do is lose a roster spot while you spend 2 months real time training him.

[cercel_jr]

Can you tell me how do you know that one player will be X GR if he is not fully trained?

Helios said that he will sell that youth from the day he joins he team.
And we don't need the game to tell us if he is good or bad.
If we want we will train him or we wil sell him.

Lot's of managers buy youths from other teams before thay train at skills.
They gest look at agresivity and age. I dont know any way to tell if a youth will become exactly X GR.

This topic was made so that you and others say if you want all your youths to come to the club or not.
Do you?

[lee400]

I disagree as well...
I think this because I can see this making soccerproject rubbish.

If you have your staff at 100%, there is a 99.9% chance that the players will get promoted. And look at the H teams selling players now, they earn around 300k. So why would you want to waste 5% teamspirit for that much money???

And secondly, just like one of the people said earlier in this topic, what good will it do if they become fully trained at 50%? It won't!

TIP: If you want your youths promoted all the time, just make sure you check your staff regularly and see if they have 100% global rating.

And questions about what I said???

[cercel_jr]

You think you know this game very well but you don't.
It is not a rule that if you have 100% staff you will receive your youths in 99.9% cases.
The promotion of youths is pure random.

PS.: I dont think that there exists a player under 60% GR with all skills fully trained and moral 100%.

[lee400]

I know - and I also know the fact that players under 60% do not exist. But if we have to promote every player, they will have to exist in the future. Otherwise, what you are virtually saying is one of the following;

>Promote all youth players from a shit youth centre with a 10% youth coordinator, and I want them to be over 70% - this is selfish and unfair, and there would be no meaning of training staff.

>Promote youths, and spoil the whole game - Once again, very selfish and game spoling attitude.

And the way you are talking to me at the moment is outrageously rude, which I find is unacceptable. If you want to have people on your side, at least try to be polite. When I say 99.9% of the time, I am not trying to show off about how much I know. I am just trying to exaggerate the fact that there is a very likely chance of player promotion when your staff is trained better, and not just "pure random". And for you, have you even thought about this properly, or are you just talking crap???

THINK!

[kennyanu]

in football weak players are sold by good teams. to weaker teams. if i have a 55GR youngster, i will sell him, and a H,G team would buy him. so it will be a balance

[Paul_G]

in football weak players are sold by good teams. to weaker teams. if i have a 55GR youngster, i will sell him, and a H,G team would buy him. so it will be a balance

No-one would buy a player like that. And even if they would, the amount of money I'd get wouldn't be worth the hit to my teamspirit. I'd get more from the worst advertising board.

There are players on the transfer market right now with GRs of 65-70 who their owners can barely give away for free. The reason for that is that low division teams who have been around for more than a couple of months can also compete for good players (GR 75-80) on the transfer market, because those teams don't earn that much less than the high division teams. So then, why would they buy weak players?

But finances is a whole other topic.

And Cercel, I don't know if a player will be X GR if he isn't fully trained, but do the math...

Helios said the worst youth players go for 1.5 mil. If the market gets flooded with a bunch of youth players, and 30% of them will now be crap with max GRs below 70, then don't you think that people will stop paying so much for youth players? Even if they are completely untrained, a buyer will be aware that there is now a 30% chance that the player they are buying is completely worthless.

Lee covered my other arguments pretty well.

[robborover]

in football weak players are sold by good teams. to weaker teams. if i have a 55GR youngster, i will sell him, and a H,G team would buy him. so it will be a balance

definitely we all started in g (now h) at some point. it's all part of the game.

[kennyanu]

paul....i have never seen a team buying for 2milion dolars a 17year player and refuses a respected 28years old player. (in real life).

thats why weak players should come from the youth center....so the balece will be like in life

[lee400]

Thanks to Paul_G for being on my side

And you can find out roughly how good the player will be by using the SPMT toolbar. There are many great tips which newbies are unaware of. But fortunately for me, there are 2/3 managers in divisions A and B (and a manager who restarted his career ) who gave me all these tips for me to do well...

And robborover, I have to say, I would have given up soccerproject if I started in G realising some players were fully trained in those 40%s and 50%s . This means I would have had to replace all of them with the 1.9 million I received.

And kennyanu, we are not talking about real life now!
I never buy any players over 25! No matter how good they are, I dont look at them, because then, it is impossible to control your team well!
Try buying a player who is good and last for 1 season, come & leave=10% TS. It is not worth it.

And the whole point of youth centre is to generate top quality players. If you want kennyanu, I will refer back to the real world - Manchester Utd and other good clubs do not promote rubbish shit in real life. Only rubbish teams, real rubbish ones do, and that will mean yor team is CRAP!

So, do you want your team to look crap?

[Helios]

I agree with Cercel, kennyanu and roborover, and disagree with Lee and Paul, there have to be always a balance between the powerful and weak teams, my friend has just started to play the SoccerProject and he has no 60% player, his players are all less. So, he would buy a 55% player.
There are new players who cares about these crappy guys. I sold two youth players for 4mil. I think there are players who still buys your worthless players...

[Paul_G]

I agree with Cercel, kennyanu and roborover, and disagree with Lee and Paul, there have to be always a balance between the powerful and weak teams, my friend has just started to play the SoccerProject and he has no 60% player, his players are all less. So, he would buy a 55% player.
There are new players who cares about these crappy guys. I sold two youth players for 4mil. I think there are players who still buys your worthless players...

Would he really buy a maxed out 55% player? How much would he pay? 25,000? And even assuming that new players can do that, realistically not many of them actually do. Besides, they could just wait a month and 90% of their players would be better than 55%.

You can get a player in his early 20's, rated about GR 70 for 500k at most positions. So it doesn't say much for players rated below that.

Kenny made a good point that IRL, you wouldn't see youths being worth more than established 28 year old players. But here's the differences:

1. IRL you have youth and reserve teams. The network which you use to develop and evaluate young players is much larger. Therefore you aren't really wasting a roster spot when you give a young player a try. In SP, a good team wasting a roster spot to develop garbage hurts no matter which way you look at it.

2. IRL, there is a HUGE difference between what the top and bottom teams earn. Bottom level teams IRL have to buy 28 year old players, and players with GR's of 55%, because they can't afford to bid on the better players. Also, the quality of incoming youths for premier league teams is much higher because their youth programs are much better. In SP, anyone has an equal chance of creating a world class player.

So this change is only good if other changes come into play at the same time. Either giving teams that spend more money better quality youths, or putting more money into top teams so that the transfer prices of good players will be too expensive for crap teams, or eliminating the teamspirit hit for SELLING a player (not buying one). Something else... because by itself, this change will fail.