SoccerProject

kennyanu · Post by **kennyanu** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:11 pm

i think the limit for private FrC should be reduced to 10.000 or 25.000

because there are many teams from higher divisions,with SPFA, that are making FrC, 32 teams tax 50k ...with teams from H.....i think this is a cheating!!!...this should stop!! if they want to make money...let them play corectly with tems just like them

on a strategy game ******* you could not attack another player if you had 3times more points than him. if you had 400, you could not attack a player with 100....or 60.....i think this is a preaty good thing

Red_Army_Squad · Post by **Red_Army_Squad** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:14 am

I suggested that teams from high divisions shouldn´t be able to invite teams from lower divisions. But someone said that this wouldn´t be fair for the high division teams, because there aren´t that many high division teams as there are low division teams.
So now I realise that this wouldn´t be fair indeed. If someone from a high division invites an H team it is up to the manager whether he wants to accept the invitation or not. And after all FrC are not to win money, but to keep your player´ moral high and to make sure that youth gain some experience.
I understand why you want to decrease the fee for high ranked teams, but I don´t think it really is going to help!

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:13 pm

And after all FrC are not to win money, but to keep your player´ moral high and to make sure that youth gain some experience.

for that are friendly games.32 teams with 50.000 make 1.600.000 and if you win that cup you get some money no?

Red_Army_Squad · Post by **Red_Army_Squad** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:46 pm

Yeah of course. But I mean if you don´t stand a chance of winning the cup, I would still subscribe as long as I can keep my players´ moral high.
The high ranked team probably want to have the money (and some other teams maybe too) but overall I think H teams just subscribe too let of off their players play some matches, don´t you think that?

kolarma1 · Post by **kolarma1** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:16 am

Yes, but there are plenty of friendly cups with lower fees and more chances of winning. I think the main reason why an H manager would subscribe to a cup with 50,000 fee organized by a team from a higher division is that they are new to the league and don't have a good grasp of all the alternatives yet, or they could be simply bad managers. In either case, this serves to keep the gap between teams from higher and lower divisions, and puts pressure on managers to "cheat" in this way who otherwise may not to because if they don't they are put in a disadvantage. I think a partial solution could be to prevent all H teams from subscribing to any friendly cup with a positive fee. There are many, and would be even more if this change is made, cups with zero fee.

kennyanu · Post by **kennyanu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:30 am

Red_Army_Squad wrote:I think H teams just subscribe too let of off their players play some matches, don´t you think that?

i think you are wrong!! H-managers are very vulnerable....they need protection....at least one season...so they can see some of the "undergound" of the game. new managers don't know about "high moral of all players" or how important are 100k in the begining of the game...they are accepting the inviations because they think its the right thing to do....they don't know that they are helping a greedy and cowardly manager making money

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:02 pm

No-ones putting a gun to their head. Morale is clearly explained in the rules. Financial rules and bankruptcy is also clearly explained.

Besides, if a guy has 200k in the bank and doesn't realize that entering a cup with a 200k entry fee is a bad idea, well, then he deserves to go bankrupt.

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:07 pm

Paul_G wrote:No-ones putting a gun to their head. Morale is clearly explained in the rules. Financial rules and bankruptcy is also clearly explained.

Besides, if a guy has 200k in the bank and doesn't realize that entering a cup with a 200k entry fee is a bad idea, well, then he deserves to go bankrupt.

agree.if the manager has 200k in bank he cannot enter in a 200k cup.

believe me.

P.S:i'm sure you know that....but the speed is guilty.

kennyanu · Post by **kennyanu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:35 pm

this is why so many managers are quiting SP in the first season

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:40 pm

kennyanu wrote:this is why so many managers are quiting SP in the first season

or maybe because that managers are fictive managers.some people make a lot of teams and keep the best one.and the rest of it are deleted after 3 weeks.

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:55 pm

unicool wrote:
kennyanu wrote:this is why so many managers are quiting SP in the first season
or maybe because that managers are fictive managers.some people make a lot of teams and keep the best one.and the rest of it are deleted after 3 weeks.

Or maybe because a lot of people quit every online game early on, Soccerproject or not, because they suck, and they can't be bothered to learn the rules or take time on their team. I've signed up for Hattrick twice, and I didn't last a week either time.

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:59 pm

've signed up for Hattrick twice, and I didn't last a week either time.

i think i'm veteran in hattrick.i started 7-8 times but never the 3rd game catch me on hattrick.i rennounce after 1-2 weeks.too ugly game.i like games that catch me from the first see.the games that have "that" something that i search at a online game.SP caught me from the first login.now i can't leave it.

bunicutzu · Post by **bunicutzu** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:17 pm

I think that H teams can also play for the money in these cups (32 teams with 50k subscription fee). because it is 1 good team who gets the pot (800k) but there are another 3 teams from H who gain 400 (2nd place) and 200k (3rd and 4th place). so as you said, 100k is a lot of money for H teams, but 400k or 200k is a lot more.
if it would be like you suggested ... i think that should be forbidden also for H teams to subscribe in open cups, to buy players from the market (because they are unexperienced and "vulnerable") and also to forbid them to sell their youngest (another mistake that they make) and so on. so they could not do mistakes any more so they would be perfect so they could not have fun anymore with the game. it's a contest, the best win, I was in H and I survived, also a lot of other managers (good or not so good). how can you make a difference if you put limitations on the mistakes that they made? for me it is a lot bigger mistake to sell your young players in the first month then to lose 50-100k in such cups (after that you are no longer a beginner).
anyway, that's my opinion. i would still love this game if this restriction will be put. but i think we have to make the game more free and more focused on manager skills then to put limitations, fences and so ...

Frrfrr · Post by **Frrfrr** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:33 pm

50k or 1 million is nothing in this game for one player

additionally, i believe also for top teams winning those cups it is only pocket money and it is no need to get worried ...

i even wonder you think this is a problem ...

i think cups with fee over 500k maybe could be controlled ... but otherwise, i think this is a part of game which is very good designed

kennyanu · Post by **kennyanu** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:18 am

believe also for top teams winning those cups it is only pocket money and it is no need to get worried ...

in 3 cups you make 2.4 milion....i think a manager can make more than 3 cups a season.

because it is 1 good team who gets the pot (800k) but there are another 3 teams from H who gain 400 (2nd place) and 200k (3rd and 4th place). so as you said, 100k is a lot of money for H teams, but 400k or 200k is a lot more.

what about the rest...that are invited in several cups....lets say 4..they are loosing 200k....for a H-team 200k is a player

if it would be like you suggested ... i think that should be forbidden also for H teams to subscribe in open cups [..........]forbid them to sell their youngest

i didn't say that. i just said that the enetering fee of the private FrC should be 25k because the teams that are fooling H-teams would have no intrest and they will quit doing it!

in open cups there is not a problem...that is their choice....as a new manager you think is a good thing to enter a FrC....