Extra option needed for friendly cup organising

djkrizz · Post by **djkrizz** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:30 pm

Lots of teams like to battle in cups between other teams of the same league (cfr. "H-teams only cups).

The problem is that some managers don't read the cup's titles (or try to earn money winning a 4 teams battle as a E-league team against 3 H-league teams...)

Why not trying to add an extra option for the organiser which gives him the possibility to REFUSE a team's subscription??

That would help a lot!

Cheers

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:38 pm

very bad ideea.if you want only H teams make a private cup.if it is open is open so everyone can join it.

mosmartin · Post by **mosmartin** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:19 pm

It sounds like a good ideea, but in a different way. I would like it something like this:
-an option so that you can create an open cup only for one of this league H,G,F,E,D,C,B,A

Advantages
-this way it gives all the people the same chances and you don't have to bother from the start with rejecting players
-people can promote faster if they manage their team well to superior league, we will see more competition in the leagues, including A,B,C leagues.
-you have the chance to catch more wealther teams that focus on championship more
-you don't have to spend one day to invite people to your private cup where you have a chance to win, and you can earn good money

Disavantages:
-Some good teams might try to relegate so they can win some easy money in a lower division from this cupa, but you can't be 100% sure they will be able to do that.

In conclusion I think this will add more competition to the game, and the best manager from one league(h,g,f...) might deserve such a reward.

Tonyw · Post by **Tonyw** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:12 pm

I see from your team history Unicool that you have no problems playing in friendly cup games set up for H League teams, so no wonder you are against the idea of making it easier for teams managers to create FrC for there own league, you will not be able to make easy money any more !!

I know it is simple to create a private FrC , but it takes time, and many new managers find it easier to set up open competitions in the hope that no one will take advantage of them.

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:42 pm

Tonyw wrote:I see from your team history Unicool that you have no problems playing in friendly cup games set up for H League teams, so no wonder you are against the idea of making it easier for teams managers to create FrC for there own league, you will not be able to make easy money any more !!

I know it is simple to create a private FrC , but it takes time, and many new managers find it easier to set up open competitions in the hope that no one will take advantage of them.

there is only a UEFA Champions League....not two not more.so KF Tirana from Albania must play against strongest team from europe to win the competition.they cannot choose their own competitors.they have to play like all the others teams.is like KF Tirana will make a request to UEFA to make a Second UEFA Champions League for the weak teams.if they want to play with teams of their calibre thay make a friendly cup or play only in Albania.i play in all the cups where i have a chance to win.i play also in strong cups against strong teams.but the H managers have a lot of protection.they don't need more....in my opinion.

I know it is simple to create a private FrC , but it takes time, and many new managers find it easier to set up open competitions in the hope that no one will take advantage of them

if it is simple then create private cups.....don't hope....maybe someone like me will destroy your hopes.

i am a bad manager....i want to win everything.

Tonyw · Post by **Tonyw** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:00 pm

The point is the FrC you took part in, the managers wanted only teams from H leagues to take part, the clue was in the titles of the names of the cups !

For example, Rival cup in H divizion
or
Enkel ploegen H league
or
Just H.

how or why they did not set up up private games is not the issue, why did you take advantage? And if given the chance, would it not be fair if those managers setting up the FrC were able to 'bump' you off the list.

By the way what advantages are H Leagues given ?

unicool · Post by **unicool** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:22 pm

like i sayied before:you want H teams make a private cup.look in the dictionary and see what means OPEN.if is open i can participate.....if i'm not there will be other managers.

Michal Kejchal · Post by **Michal Kejchal** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:18 pm

unicool wrote:like i sayied before:you want H teams make a private cup.look in the dictionary and see what means OPEN.if is open i can participate.....if i'm not there will be other managers.

Bullshits, there is no reason (except technical problems) why not to implement this. Nobody is interested in spending half an hour to make a tournament for a specific divisions.
Its also problem of temporary manager ranking. System is realy discusting because it supports those who systematically looks for "newcomers tournaments".
The reason why it hasnt been implemented yet is that developers plays in top divisions so they dont feel this problem.

mosmartin · Post by **mosmartin** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:38 pm

Well I think it could be a good ideea, not the option to ban different teams.

I am talking about an option to make the cup available only for teams from your league or lower(A,B,C...etc).

There might still be plenty of people to create cups like now, while some could use it and It would be great. If it's not tehnically difficult I think it would make a lot of people happy, mostly SPFA subscribers.

This would surely increase competition in this game, and give lower ranked teams a chance to promote and catch the big guys.

Zé da Silva · Post by **Zé da Silva** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:48 pm

Still, in H there are teams with a rating as bad as 25% and as good as 75%.

Just a thought...

sljivovica · Post by **sljivovica** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:11 pm

Michal Kejchal wrote: Bullshits, there is no reason (except technical problems) why not to implement this.

I see the problem, and I don't like it if managers from higher divisions play in "H only" Cups. But it's not illegal thanks to the system.

But of course there is a reason not to implement this option.
Every manager in H would organize "H only" Cups. This way managers from A/B/C will have an incredible hard time to find a cup to play in.

Let's be honest, if this option would come, all strong H-teams (Like Zé says, there are pretty good teams in H-division too) will organise "H only" cups for huge amounts of money and make lots of it over the back of lesser H-teams. Newbies would suffer the most from this.

I think I would like to see an option to set up which divisions can compete in a Cup, but there should also be financial restrictions to that.
Make those cups more for honor and less for money.

Restrict the subscription fee (let's say starting at 5.000 for "H only", slowly moving up) or even drop the fee completely so it is only about winning and playing and not about money.

This way all managers, high and low, should be able to live with it.
I understand the frustration and also share it, the way it is now is just not cool.
Honest managers in higher divisions lose millions per season compared to those managers who don't care if it's honorable or not.

mosmartin · Post by **mosmartin** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:14 pm

Well yes you are right.
But team rating is not quite a good checking balance. You might have a good first team and the rest young players so your rating won't be so high.
After all is like a nice prize for the managers that do well. It's much more easier the private cups to organise a tournament and it could bring more money.

If the money issue is the problem they might put a limit, that gets higher with each league, but I was very annoyed for my first 32 teams cup organized.
I've spent a lot of time.

Anyway I think this ideea will improve the game.

A good limit would be to start like from the private cups:
An increase of 25K for league means 800K more money. You have one more reason to promote.
H only : 50K limit
G only: 75k
F only: 100K
........
Any other system or ideea is weclome.

Michal Kejchal · Post by **Michal Kejchal** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:31 pm

sljivovica wrote: I see the problem, and I don't like it if managers from higher divisions play in "H only" Cups. But it's not illegal thanks to the system.

But of course there is a reason not to implement this option.
Every manager in H would organize "H only" Cups. This way managers from A/B/C will have an incredible hard time to find a cup to play in.

Well, but its hard for G,H teams to find a playable tournament now. About 20-30 000 teams in G,H compared to 208 teams in A,B,C.
There would be a rule that you cant play in (or create new one) more than 3 (5) "division tournaments".

sljivovica wrote: Let's be honest, if this option would come, all strong H-teams (Like Zé says, there are pretty good teams in H-division too) will organise "H only" cups for huge amounts of money and make lots of it over the back of lesser H-teams. Newbies would suffer the most from this.

Ok, but they suffer much more from current system.

sljivovica wrote: I think I would like to see an option to set up which divisions can compete in a Cup, but there should also be financial restrictions to that.
Make those cups more for honor and less for money.

Restrict the subscription fee (let's say starting at 5.000 for "H only", slowly moving up) or even drop the fee completely so it is only about winning and playing and not about money.

But easy wins are another reason why strong teams join H-cups.

sljivovica wrote: This way all managers, high and low, should be able to live with it.
I understand the frustration and also share it, the way it is now is just not cool.
Honest managers in higher divisions lose millions per season compared to those managers who don't care if it's honorable or not.

Agree with your comment but your solution seems to be too restrictive (5 000 for H, etc.).

sljivovica · Post by **sljivovica** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:02 pm

Michal Kejchal wrote:
sljivovica wrote: But of course there is a reason not to implement this option.
Every manager in H would organize "H only" Cups. This way managers from A/B/C will have an incredible hard time to find a cup to play in.
Well, but its hard for G,H teams to find a playable tournament now. About 20-30 000 teams in G,H compared to 208 teams in A,B,C.

Yes, and all these teams can create their own cups. Those that have SPFA can create BIG cups. If they all create Cups, there will be more cups then the A/B/C teams can possibly join

So if you could get all H-teams to make Cups, that would solve part of the problem

Michal Kejchal wrote:
sljivovica wrote: Newbies would suffer the most from this.
Ok, but they suffer much more from current system.

You're right, they suffer now too... I agree this whole thing needs to be improved.

Michal Kejchal wrote: Agree with your comment but your solution seems to be too restrictive (5 000 for H, etc.).

That was just an example. It would be up to the SP-creators to find a good balance. Fact is, the more money is involved, the more teams from higher divisions you Cup will attract.

Zé da Silva · Post by **Zé da Silva** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:10 pm

sljivovica wrote:
Michal Kejchal wrote: Agree with your comment but your solution seems to be too restrictive (5 000 for H, etc.).
That was just an example. It would be up to the SP-creators to find a good balance. Fact is, the more money is involved, the more teams from higher divisions you Cup will attract.

So in theory, if H-division teams are smart enough to create an open cup without a subscription fee, they shouldn't get too many nuisances bcause:

Upper-division teams will go for the cups with money prizes
Teams won't lose any money