Team spirit increase

gazza88 · Post by **gazza88** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:50 pm

i think there should be more TS increase for a win

especially friendlies

SP FAQ page wrote:- Friendly games (+0.75% for a win, +1% for a draw and +0.5% for a loss)

why do you get 0.75% increase for a win and 1% increase for a draw?

i don't think it's fair for a 5% decrease for selling a player and only 2% increase for a league win.

could the selling decrease be varied in the amount of morale the player has (eg a 100% morale would be more missed from a team than one with 0%.

bunicutzu · Post by **bunicutzu** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:58 pm

i think it's fair because if you sell a player the others (his friends and so) will not be very satisfied. and they will not forget after just one win in a league match.
so for me it's ok.

spootytown · Post by **spootytown** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:16 pm

I think team spirit should be linked to the departing/incoming player.

One great example is David Beckham. Is it fair for Los Angeles to LOSE team spirit when it means they gain an exceptional (for them, and their league) player? Are they actually happier after losing a friendly match than after signing a world class player?

Another example would be Arsenal this past year. They lost two strikers: Thierry Henry (an amazing player, first choice when healthy) as well as Jeremie Aliadiere (who wouldn't make the first team unless there were numerous injuries). Obviously the loss of one player will be felt much more than the other! Yet SP treats them equally.

I think that team spirit should be related to that quality of the player coming or going. A team shouldn't be penalized the same for losing players of drastically different quality! And if they bring in a player that will truly help them, team spirit should actually go up, not down!

Zé da Silva · Post by **Zé da Silva** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:24 pm

But

The new player(s) don't know very well the team from the start, they need to adapt, so they should perform slightly worse in the first days (as should the rest of the team, who might not know the new player either)
If a new player comes to the club, the old ones may feel they're not needed (though maybe lowering player morale would be the best solution)
It prevents (to some extent) a team buying dozens of players just to sell them the following week

C.A. Peñarol · Post by **C.A. Peñarol** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:26 pm

spootytown wrote:I think team spirit should be linked to the departing/incoming player.

One great example is David Beckham. Is it fair for Los Angeles to LOSE team spirit when it means they gain an exceptional (for them, and their league) player? Are they actually happier after losing a friendly match than after signing a world class player?

Another example would be Arsenal this past year. They lost two strikers: Thierry Henry (an amazing player, first choice when healthy) as well as Jeremie Aliadiere (who wouldn't make the first team unless there were numerous injuries). Obviously the loss of one player will be felt much more than the other! Yet SP treats them equally.

I think that team spirit should be related to that quality of the player coming or going. A team shouldn't be penalized the same for losing players of drastically different quality! And if they bring in a player that will truly help them, team spirit should actually go up, not down!

True. I think buying a player shouldn't lower as much TS as selling, depending on the player of course.

spootytown · Post by **spootytown** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:40 pm

I'd still argue your points thus:

a. suppose the team (like mine) is very poor in quality and experience. To bring in a top class player, even if he's less than 100% integrated in the team and their style, will be an improvement in talent and experience. For example, a midfield averaging a rating of 55 brings in a player rated 75. Just do the maths: a 75 rated player at 75% is still better than a 55 rated player! So yes, there may be a time of adjustment, but I don't think it needs to be 'painful'.

b. agreed, although again, that might be at that position only. A team bringing in a new striker shouldn't really affect the spirit or morale of a goalkeeper, for example.

c. I do think selling should be penalized. Any proposed gain from buying a player would then be lost if he was sold, either next week, or at any time.

C.A. Peñarol · Post by **C.A. Peñarol** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:48 pm

IRL some players fit perfectly in teams, making the team perform better. Others take their time to fit into a team and their form of play, others don't fit at all and never get to their potential.

IMHO it should really depend on the player/s.

Zé da Silva · Post by **Zé da Silva** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:57 pm

spootytown wrote:a. suppose the team (like mine) is very poor in quality and experience. To bring in a top class player, even if he's less than 100% integrated in the team and their style, will be an improvement in talent and experience. For example, a midfield averaging a rating of 55 brings in a player rated 75. Just do the maths: a 75 rated player at 75% is still better than a 55 rated player! So yes, there may be a time of adjustment, but I don't think it needs to be 'painful'.

Yes, but the point here is: to what extent does the arrival of a new player make the team feel like a team (which is my interpretation of "teamspirit")? I'm not saying it won't help them (because it will - though it'll help the team more when the player is completly adjusted), but taking your example to the extreme, signing 11 great players from as many clubs surely doesn't create a better locker room mood than a team would have if they always kept the same players. Take Real Madrid. Back in the "Zidanes & Pavones" days, they had a group of great individuals, but they failed to perform as a team.

spootytown wrote:b. agreed, although again, that might be at that position only. A team bringing in a new striker shouldn't really affect the spirit or morale of a goalkeeper, for example.

Well, obviously. That's why I proposed morale (so it'd affect only some players) instead of teamspirit (which'd affect the whole team)

spootytown · Post by **spootytown** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:33 pm

I'm coming at this from the view of a new player (not even been on SP a month), so the Real Madrid scenario certainly doesn't apply to me (I can't afford to buy and pay 1 superstar, much less 11).

It's just frustrating that as a new player, I see a scenario where a good player and bad player are the same. Where I am penalized for buying a great player (who would play nearly every match for me) just as much as I am for selling a poor player (who plays only if I play a league match and 2 friendlies the same day).

It also doesn't make sense that if I sell a player, I get penalized, and if I dare try to buy a replacement player (even if he's much better than the player sold), I am penalized even more.

Let the talent of the player do the talking, not just the simple act. Lose a great player, you feel the loss. Lose a poor player, you don't (or don't as much). Etc.[/quote]