zandyy wrote:If there is anyone that is that cautious about not being spotted, it must be a single case.
Zandyy, I'm afraid it's not a single case. There are thousands of people who are managing two (or even more!) teams. Some of them created multiply teams on their own, while others e.g. took additional teams from real-life friends who had left the SP allready. And I am sure that hundreds of them at least are very "cautious about not being spotted".
Maybe they are still in lower divisions, but it is just the question of time before they will promote up. But that is another topic for another discussion.
mosmartin wrote:My point is that with BIN cheating gets easier.
I think you are wrong, man. I really can't see any difference between today's cheating possibilities and potential possibilities when BIN-system will be implemented.
To be as clear as possible, I'll use argue scenario which is very simillar to your's :
- A cheater has two teams. The first one he's managing from home and the second from work/school (or whatever else frequently visited place). And he want to sell one player from one team ("the work team") to another ("the home team").
- So he put the player to transfer list at first. And then he wait for two days period is over.
- It's the third day and he is at work/school now. So he wait till e.g. 17:59:58 and make the final bid right at this time. Then move to home so quickly to be there (or wherever in the I-netcaffe on that way, if it's to long) before simulation ends. Log on right after the simulation ends (as everybody do sometimes) and accept the bid, the player has been transfered sucessfully.
- And don't forget that a lot of people own such things as an notebook with GPRS internet connection (it mean absolutely different IP Adress and provideer), or some smart phone with internet/web-browser and such a cheating is much more easier for such a people! They have to go nowhere, they can secretly cheat from the single chair.
- It is absolutely the same as above with one possible exception: system will inform all current biders that the seller did set up the BIN price. And it mean they can be very lucky (if online) and pay the BIN price first even before the cheater. Under the current system they are only informed that some another bid had been made, but they can't know it is the final one.
mosmartin wrote:Another bad thing for this is that you level chances a litlle bit. I personally know some managers that are looking for players which are not on the market and try to convince those managers to sell them. The agreement is usually made before the player is being placed on the market. I've even received such offers or made others. Well this guys work, spend a lot of time on SP and you just cut them out with this new BIN option.
Yes, there are managers who search for players this way. And I'm sure it can be very entertaining to some managers. But what You didn't wrote is the fact that in many such cases they are trying to get good players with future potential for lesser price then their market price would be. It mean they are trying to trick less experienced players (I had got a lot of such "offers" when I were in divisions H/G/F, but not the single one later, oops!). So if You are crying about loss of possibility to trick newbies, then shame on You! But if You are just interested in scouting for an appropriate player for your A-selection, then You don't need to worry about change. If you'll find the player you must have, then simply contact his manager and offer him irresistible offer.
And the very last subtopic I want to comment is "Who is responsible for what?".
- Even it is absolutely offtopic here, it's very serious problem.
- I mean the SP rules need the exact definition of "what is an unrealistic price".
- Without such a definition we can never solve who is responsible and who have or haven't the right to demand higher price for his player, or to pay higher price for someone else's player.
- This is the most serious problem of SP and SP rules at this time!!!