neutral ground.

lee400 · Post by **lee400** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:51 pm

I have thought about this, and decided to share my thoughts with other people.

Well, although in soccerproject rule, it says that playing in someone's home is neutral and not biased, to make this sound fairer, thought we should be able to pay and borrow stadiums. for example, if I do not have a match at 14:00 on a friday, I can lend it to someone for 500,000 euros.

But to prevent everyone lending stadiums, this can take place:

>The stadium loses 10/20 per cent of pitch status.
>The tickets sold will go to the two teams playing at the time, equally. 50/50.

I hope people will find this useful, and come up with a similar solution to make soccerproject more realsitic.

thank you
Lee

Geronimo · Post by **Geronimo** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:56 pm

Damn i like that thought ,would fit in very well i think ...

Really nice thing to add in sp

modes98's revenge · Post by **modes98's revenge** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:40 pm

lee400 wrote: But to prevent everyone lending stadiums, this can take place:

>The stadium loses 10/20 per cent of pitch status.
>The tickets sold will go to the two teams playing at the time, equally. 50/50.

Good idea, it needs work though lee.

Easy way to move money from a team to another. Also a pitch status penalty would be useless as you can change your pitch everyday at minimal cost.

smithy91 · Post by **smithy91** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:09 pm

Yeh i like it Lee, but thats going to be a easy way for managers to move money from team to team like modes just said.

But wiht work, i think it could work, perhaps you can only do it in a freindly cup

i dunno, but good idea

alisa · Post by **alisa** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:52 pm

+ In cups, in the finale it's not fair for the outplaying team. In that case it's good that the match will be played on neutral ground..

-Cheating would be easy then, people with not a "real team" can play games on your ground and you would recieve money.

PiRLo · Post by **PiRLo** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:19 pm

great idea

Blue · Post by **Blue** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:25 pm

The SP cup final should be played in the best ground, with a maxed out crowd. Slightly off topic, but... Meh...

lee400 · Post by **lee400** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:47 pm

right, thank you for sharing your own views...
I will answer 1 question at a time...

Firstly, modes, there will be a lot of people renting their own stadiums. Thus, there will be competition, of prices going lower and lower. Also, there should be a maximum limit of 300k (or similar), and a minimum of 0.00. Also, changing pitch will cost them money as well, so it balances out. But it will be better if Sjarel could make the pitch changing more expensive.
I think this will work best if: the person who borrows the stadium pays and reserves for a certain time, and if the borrower cannot play a match at that time, he/she will have to pay for the time, but will not play a match.

Smithy, well, my idea was just friendlies. Involving friendly cups will make this a lot more complicated. So do you mind just leaving it for now? OR! it could be that both teams to play could agree and pay 50/50.

Alisa, I have answered your question in the part for modes...

Blue, its not off topic! The two teams could agree to play where, and like I said to smithy, could pay 50/50.

Any more questions?

lee400 · Post by **lee400** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:56 pm

just thought of a better idea...
How about, there are limits for sizes?

€50,000 borrowing fee,

For each 1,000 seats, €10,000.
For each bar, €1,000.
For each 1 car park space, €1, ...etc.

So, for a stadium with 15,000 capacity, 80 bars and 7000 parking, it will be;

€50,000 (fee) + €150,000 (capacity), €8,000 (bars) and €7,000 (parking) = €215,000.

This will be the maximum fee the owner can charge. The stadium owner could decide to lower the price, but NOT higher.

smithy91 · Post by **smithy91** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:17 pm

lee400 wrote: Smithy, well, my idea was just friendlies. Involving friendly cups will make this a lot more complicated. So do you mind just leaving it for now? OR! it could be that both teams to play could agree and pay 50/50.

Its your idea mate, leave whatever you want!

robborover · Post by **robborover** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:08 pm

Why not just have major stadiums rather than sp ones? Use it like Wembley for Finals etc..

Otherwise i'd just rent my mates and he could rent mine

sljivovica · Post by **sljivovica** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:22 pm

lee400 wrote:just thought of a better idea...
How about, there are limits for sizes?

€50,000 borrowing fee,

For each 1,000 seats, €10,000.
For each bar, €1,000.
For each 1 car park space, €1, ...etc.

So, for a stadium with 15,000 capacity, 80 bars and 7000 parking, it will be;

€50,000 (fee) + €150,000 (capacity), €8,000 (bars) and €7,000 (parking) = €215,000.

This will be the maximum fee the owner can charge. The stadium owner could decide to lower the price, but NOT higher.

Yeah, I like this a bit better already. but I think it should be much cheaper:
Maybe like 4 to 10 times cheaper.

* To my friendlies, I believe only 4000-5000 people come to watch. That's not a lot of money that can be made. Using a 30.000-seat stadium for a friendly match seems very useless to me.

The main point I think is being able to play on neutral grounds, so teams can share the money.
In my opinion, the model should so that the total sum of money that's made would be around the same as the teams make now with a friendly match.
Only now, instead of 1 team running away with all the money, it would be split 3-ways.

All together, I think it's a bit too complicated to do this.

I like the sharing of profits in friendly games, but there must be an easier way.

Maybe what robborover said, make a set of standard stadiums, maybe in 10 different sizes (from a local 3000-seater up to Wembley), where the teams can choose from. Of course playing at Wembley would be very expensive, and you would lose money if only 5000 people show up

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Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:13 pm

Kind of good idea but few points..

- The biggest stadium (now in hands of 'Beringen United') will have much 'invites' to play in his stadium, voor Cup-games (higher then the 9th round), to play FriendlyCup-finals, .. He will have soo much PM's with notifications that someone wants to play in his stadium.

A possible solution for this would be: A turn on/off-function.

Also a 'negative' point about this:

If someone is accepting much invites for games in his stadium, he will earn much money, if he does this a few months, he will have so much money that he can enlarge his stadium again.. and again.. in the end, he was able to pay his stadium with only the earnings of your idea. And the gap between smaller stadiums will be bigger and bigger.

But... Good that you're thinking to make soccerproject better..

lee400 · Post by **lee400** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:43 am

robborover, well, your idea is also okay, but I thought socerproject should become better and better. We should be able to lend stadiums as well as using sp ones. And also, lending your mates is also a good idea, making it cheaper than the recommended price.

sljivovica, i understand your point. But if that is the case, borrow a smaller stadium, or just play at your home! Borrowing stadiums will become another choice, and will not be compulsory. And making this complicated is making it more realsitic! In real life, managing a football club is not easy! The title for sp is CAN YOU MANAGE IT. If you cannot manage it, then leave. However, soccerproject I believe will become more and more realstic.

Benjamin, yes. Maybe, this should be cheaper. But borrowing stadiums does not neccasarily mean you have to borrow the biggest one. Also, this will not be compulsory. It will be YOUR CHOICE! And also, borrowing larger stadiums will be more expensive. In addition, I believe there will be a lot to choose from. So, it will be evened out. ok?

Any more questions? I have thought about this for weeks, and have solutions for every question!

robborover · Post by **robborover** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:03 am

lee400 wrote:robborover, well, your idea is also okay, but I thought socerproject should become better and better. We should be able to lend stadiums as well as using sp ones. And also, lending your mates is also a good idea, making it cheaper than the recommended price.

but that's only going to better the bigger teams. i'd just arrange loads of deals and make money without playing my players. this would affect the sp economy. and also, the bigger teams would make the most money as they would have more contacts. who would want their final in a 4,000 g team stadium anyway?

the only way to stop this would be to have default stadiums of some kind (as opposed to a real sp stadium). say a 4,000, 8,000, 12,000 and 15,000. then depending on your clubs stature you play at one of those.

or make it so you only make a small amount for 'lending' your ground, but if you didn't make much money it wouldn't be worthwhile anyway.

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