Losted again cause of Agression! [Agression Influence]

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:10 am

FC Wageningen 3 - 2 Nespereira

FC Wageningen(Average of the players ratings in the game) = 68 ((69+68+66+69+69+70+68+67+67+67+ 68 )/11)
Agression = 100%

Nespereira(Average of the players ratings in the game) = 70.45 ((74+73+69+71+70+71+66+68+73+73+67)/11)
Agression = 80%

Conclusion:
20% more of agression, home advantage and more 1% of team spirit, values more than more 2.45 IN EACH players prestations in the game, THIS IS UNFAIR

AGRESSION SHOULDNT BE SO MUCH IMPORTANT IN SP, it should only influenciates the yellows and red cards, not the line ratings, line ratings should be influence only of good players prestations...

http://www.soccerproject.com/game_repor ... ID=2215391

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:17 am

I have more 2.45 IN EACH players prestations in the game, but i have Nespereira(Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 133

FC Wageningen (Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 137

This is the 20% of agression influence + Home adbvantage + 1% of TS... He has best line ratings(more 4) with players of 2.5 lower prestation than mine, FANTASTIC

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:34 am

My TS was 99% before the 04:00 game, and now with a league game still 99%, this is very strange.

It should raise 1% for a league draw or loss. Ive losted. Ive been robed!

I have my SPMT with the file of 10:09:2006 14:00 as proof, it says my Team spirit was 98% then, ive played three games from then:
Mon 11 Sep 2006 (04:12 CET) L FC Wageningen 3 - 2 Nespereira
Sun 10 Sep 2006 (22:03 CET) Fr the_nukgies 1 - 9 Nespereira
Sun 10 Sep 2006 (18:03 CET) Fr Ken United 1 - 0 Nespereira

And my Team spirit still 99%???

http://forum.soccerproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=54105

Remis · Post by **Remis** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:03 am

Nespereira wrote:I have more 2.45 IN EACH players prestations in the game, but i have Nespereira(Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 133

FC Wageningen (Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 137

This is the 20% of agression influence + Home adbvantage + 1% of TS... He has best line ratings(more 4) with players of 2.5 lower prestation than mine, FANTASTIC

Your CM was sent off. I think it means -3 or -4 points from line rating.

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:27 pm

Remis wrote:
Nespereira wrote:I have more 2.45 IN EACH players prestations in the game, but i have Nespereira(Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 133

FC Wageningen (Defence+Midfield+Atack)= 137

This is the 20% of agression influence + Home adbvantage + 1% of TS... He has best line ratings(more 4) with players of 2.5 lower prestation than mine, FANTASTIC
Your CM was sent off. I think it means -3 or -4 points from line rating.

He was sent of at the 84th minute, so ive only played 6 minutes more 4 of discounts, thats not relevant... If it is, it shouldnt!!!

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:36 pm

The most important thing is this:

AGRESSION SHOULDNT BE SO MUCH IMPORTANT IN SP, it should only influenciates the yellows and red cards, not the line ratings, line ratings should be influence only of good players prestations(depends on the fitness,moral,and global rating of the players).

This has to be changed...

krcgenk · Post by **krcgenk** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:54 pm

I totally agree with Nespereira. I allready lost many points this season because of the agression. I have 5 players of 90% and more and 13 players that reach a performance of 70+. So the individual performances of my players are most of the time much better than my opponent's players. But because of their higher agression, the line ratings are higher and I lose many points.

Agression just has a too big influence in the game. And I mean the team's agression. Not the player's agression, that's ok for me.

robborover · Post by **robborover** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:56 pm

Nespereira wrote:The most important thing is this:

AGRESSION SHOULDNT BE SO MUCH IMPORTANT IN SP, it should only influenciates the yellows and red cards, not the line ratings, line ratings should be influence only of good players prestations(depends on the fitness,moral,and global rating of the players).

This has to be changed...

i agree too. its unfair.

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:00 pm

krcgenk wrote:I totally agree with Nespereira. I allready lost many points this season because of the agression. I have 5 players of 90% and more and 13 players that reach a performance of 70+. So the individual performances of my players are most of the time much better than my opponent's players. But because of their higher agression, the line ratings are higher and I lose many points.

Agression just has a too big influence in the game. And I mean the team's agression. Not the player's agression, that's ok for me.

Ive just opened the topic talking about me, but i know that you(krcgenk) are the team in the league B.2 that losted more games because of the agression, the problem is the influence of the agression in the line ratings, that has to be changed!!!

modes98's revenge · Post by **modes98's revenge** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:05 pm

It should have an influence, however it has too much effect.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:48 pm

I disagree. A team with low aggression is less likely to go in for a tackle than a team with high aggression. A team with low aggression is therefore more likely to be disposesed, so a higher agression team will do a lot better, provided all their players don't get sent off.

modes98's revenge · Post by **modes98's revenge** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:16 pm

Thats the problem though, half your team are watching from the stands. Yet to get a red card this season but my yellows are mounting up!

matt · Post by **matt** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:54 pm

modes98's revenge wrote:It should have an influence, however it has too much effect.

That's the conclusion I've already drawn a few seasons ago.

That 5 or 10% surplus of team aggression is way too important. If you're the better team considering class, but you have one or a few aggressive players and your opponent doesn't... Then there's a good chance your opponent will win.

Paul_G · Post by **Paul_G** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:24 pm

I agree with Blue. It's part of the strategy of the game. How high do I need to turn up my aggressiveness for a certain match without players being sent off while still giving me a chance to win?

If your players are really aggressive and you don't like the results, then don't sign really aggressive players, or have decent backups for them. If you get someone off the transfer market with an aggression of 96, then expect him to miss a few matches during the season and plan for it.

If one of my starters is ineligible for a league match, I play the back up and use the starter in whatever friendly cups are going on that day, so no-one gets overly tired. Anyway, if your backups are THAT big of a drop-off in talent from your starters, then you don't deserve to win your league IMO. Part of league play is how much depth you have.

...and if a lot of your players do get sent off, then tone down the team aggression next time.

Since I've adjusted my aggression settings to cater to the new rules, I've not had any problem at all. Anyway, I certainly don't see how it's unfair. We're all playing by the same rules. And just having aggression affect Red and Yellow cards and not the game itself makes no sense... there are already too few strategic decisions I can make for a match. I wouldn't want to get limited even more.

Nespereira · Post by **Nespereira** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:01 pm

Paul_G wrote:I agree with Blue. It's part of the strategy of the game. How high do I need to turn up my aggressiveness for a certain match without players being sent off while still giving me a chance to win?

If your players are really aggressive and you don't like the results, then don't sign really aggressive players, or have decent backups for them. If you get someone off the transfer market with an aggression of 96, then expect him to miss a few matches during the season and plan for it.

If one of my starters is ineligible for a league match, I play the back up and use the starter in whatever friendly cups are going on that day, so no-one gets overly tired. Anyway, if your backups are THAT big of a drop-off in talent from your starters, then you don't deserve to win your league IMO. Part of league play is how much depth you have.

...and if a lot of your players do get sent off, then tone down the team aggression next time.

Since I've adjusted my aggression settings to cater to the new rules, I've not had any problem at all. Anyway, I certainly don't see how it's unfair. We're all playing by the same rules. And just having aggression affect Red and Yellow cards and not the game itself makes no sense... there are already too few strategic decisions I can make for a match. I wouldn't want to get limited even more.

I have got only three players of more than 50% of agression in my titular team:
- GK Aggression 81 %(GK receive less cards i think)
- LB Aggression 69 %
- LF Aggression 67 %

This is an agressive team??

If i putt the agression a litle high at least one of them is sent of(less 5 or 10 points in line ratings), if i putt less 10-20% of agression my line ratings decrease a lot and i lose the game.

Maybe i will not promote with this titular team:

GK: Best performance 74
LB: Best performance 73
CB: Best performance 69(Will play 72.9 with 100% experience )
RB: Best performance 71
LM: Best performance 71
CM: Best performance 71
CM: Best performance 69(Will play 71.9 with 100% experience)
RM: Best performance 73
LF: Best performance 71
CF: Best performance 73
RF: Best performance 69(Will play 73.3 with 100% experience)