Šerifské potíže (ban, podvodníci atd.)

[Sokol Cejc]

A proč sem zakládal takový topik....

Jinak k tomu hlídání týmu - za tohle ta pokuta nebude. Já sem nikomu tým nehlídal, jenom mě hlídal tým Kofi a s tím jsem žádný přátelák ani turnaj nehrál.

[pupajdi13]

chtělo by to udělat nejakou oficialní petici.....prvně proti dardarovi a druhak za ty pokuty při hlídání týmu.

Puzzle sestav nějakou duchaplnou slohovou práci v angličtině , schválíme jí tu , podepíšeme a pošleme Sjarelovi....potažmo začnu otravovat Foxe ,at nám s tím pomuže....snítka petržele by mu měla otevřít oči

[oslicek]

I tak je to konina Oslíčku - právě proto mě to tak nasralo.

1) I když s ním hraješ turnaje, vždycky je to doma - venku
2) všechny přáteláky mám přijmuté z poolu, to musí jako šerif vidět.

Tak jak tak sem mu odpověděl

"Thank you for your good work

Have a nice day too.

Cheater Andrew."

Já vím, že tě to naštvalo, taky by mě to naštvalo. Spíš sem přemýšlel, proč k tomu ze strany (podle mě zatím docela férového šerifa) došlo. Ta pokuta není pro většinu manažerů likvidační a proto se tím možná "snaží předejít" dalšímu reinaldovi nebo jak se jmenoval ten Belgán, co si hrdinně zval do poháru akorát háčkaře plus několik jím řízených týmů (dědečka, babičky, tatínka, maminky, brášky, sestřičky, mysím, že se dostalo i na pejska s kočičkou) ze stejné IP. Neviděl bych to ze strany šerifa na nějaký cílený útok na českou komunitu. Nenapadl mě jiný rozumný důvod pro tuhle pokutu.

Doufám, že to někdo pojme v nešvejkovském duchu a dozvíme se příčinu .

Přáteláky z poolu jsou myslím úplně o něčem jiném než tahle pokuta. Tam bych problém nehledal.

[beda sekacka]

Kdo z těch co maj pokutu za přáteláky hlásil Dardara pro podvod? Aby to nebylo takové rumunské tytyty ještě jednou a jdeš.

[puzzle]

Kdo z těch co maj pokutu za přáteláky hlásil Dardara pro podvod? Aby to nebylo takové rumunské tytyty ještě jednou a jdeš.

Já 3x ale pokutu sem nedostal a hlídám tým Slancovi.

[puzzle]

Tak jsem něco vytvořil...

Dear Srajel,

It don´t like to events us at Soccer project in last days.
First.
Manager and sheriff of ~dardar_3~ (next only dadar) have sold player at 28M. This price was reduction for 8M by 20M. In our opinion is that reducing price for 8M is too little. Dadar should have punished more severely.

Second.
Few players have gotten fine of 400K for playing friendly cups as another manager using the same PC.
This team only guard team another manager in time of his absence. Even manager Andrew (team Sokol Čejč ) have gotten unjustly because he didn´t guarded anybody team and on his PC don´t play anybody.

Situation of soccer project begins remind of how have sheriff stars is immunity.

Have a nice day

Community of Czech.

[jancarik]

Tak jsem něco vytvořil...

Dear Srajel,

It don´t like to events us at Soccer project in last days.
First.
Manager and sheriff of ~dardar_3~ (next only dadar) have sold player at 28M. This price was reduction for 8M by 20M. In our opinion is that reducing price for 8M is too little. Dadar should have punished more severely.

Second.
Few players have gotten fine of 400K for playing friendly cups as another manager using the same PC.
This team only guard team another manager in time of his absence. Even manager Andrew (team Sokol Čejč ) have gotten unjustly because he didn´t guarded anybody team and on his PC don´t play anybody.

Situation of soccer project begins remind of how have sheriff stars is immunity.

Have a nice day

Community of Czech.

pro ty tupejsi znas jako ja jeste cesky DIKY

[Razvanica]

Ok, I see this is starting to become an issue and I see that the Czech forum is the single forum is SP where bans and sheriff decisions are discussed publicly.

So, to make things clear on the case "dardar". I was the one who detected the case, long before any report was made. The manager who bought that player from dardar made 6 other transfers for important sums in 10 minutes. I banned him, not necessarily because of the high prices, but because this behavior was weird. He never replied to my emails and he continues to be banned. He had 5 more ongoing offers for some players, offers which were canceled. As for the 6 transfers that already took place, we discussed this together with ALL the sheriffs. We did not find any relationship between that manager and any of the 6 other managers, including dardar. He lives in a town situated at 500km from the town dardar lives in and there is no other link between the teams in 3 and a half years.

Considering this, all of the players were evaluated and the transfers were adjusted. In all of the cases, the relative difference between the value of the player and the price that was paid was not larger than 100%. This kind of difference is really something very usual in SP and I am sure many of you managed to sell with 2M a player that they really valued at 1M. Sheriffs do not usually handle cases with such a low difference, but we made an exception in this case. We ALL agreed that the player dardar sold had an average value of 15M. Therefore, the transfer price was adjusted from 28M to 20M, in order to be more close of the average value but still give an advantage to manager dardar who managed to obtain that price playing honestly.

I want to make it clear, that this is not the first case when a transfer was adjusted without blocking the account of the manager involved. Actually, this happens every time a manager makes a report about an unrealistic offer. And every time the sheriffs (or at least I) try to propose a price over the average value because the idea is to prevent, not to punish. I know there are managers on this forum who were treated this way, maybe they will care to admit it, maybe not, but the idea is that dardar was treated like any other manager.

I also think it is interesting to point that dardar has many times canceled offers for his players when he considered these offers were unrealistic. His only fault was that this time he set an IBP over the market price. But how many of you never did this, hoping they will get lucky?

Now, about the 4 managers that were fined today for playing in the same friendly cup although they use the same PC. The rules are very clear on this, and managers who share the same PC (whether they are family, friends or replacing one another) are not allowed to do any transactions and they are not allowed to play together in friendly cups. This is the rule, and it is a good rule from my point of view. These managers were fined, just like the other managers who did the same thing, whether they where Dutch, Romanian or Polish. Yes, I spotted the situation because manager jancarik wrote a message in my guestbook, but if I would have noticed it some other time it would have been the same thing.

I hope this will make things a little more clear for some of you and I am sorry I could not write my message in Czech.

Hezký den.

[oslicek]

Ok, I see this is starting to become an issue and I see that the Czech forum is the single forum is SP where bans and sheriff decisions are discussed publicly.

So, to make things clear on the case "dardar". I was the one who detected the case, long before any report was made. The manager who bought that player from dardar made 6 other transfers for important sums in 10 minutes. I banned him, not necessarily because of the high prices, but because this behavior was weird. He never replied to my emails and he continues to be banned. He had 5 more ongoing offers for some players, offers which were canceled. As for the 6 transfers that already took place, we discussed this together with ALL the sheriffs. We did not find any relationship between that manager and any of the 6 other managers, including dardar. He lives in a town situated at 500km from the town dardar lives in and there is no other link between the teams in 3 and a half years.

Considering this, all of the players were evaluated and the transfers were adjusted. In all of the cases, the relative difference between the value of the player and the price that was paid was not larger than 100%. This kind of difference is really something very usual in SP and I am sure many of you managed to sell with 2M a player that they really valued at 1M. Sheriffs do not usually handle cases with such a low difference, but we made an exception in this case. We ALL agreed that the player dardar sold had an average value of 15M. Therefore, the transfer price was adjusted from 28M to 20M, in order to be more close of the average value but still give an advantage to manager dardar who managed to obtain that price playing honestly.

I want to make it clear, that this is not the first case when a transfer was adjusted without blocking the account of the manager involved. Actually, this happens every time a manager makes a report about an unrealistic offer. And every time the sheriffs (or at least I) try to propose a price over the average value because the idea is to prevent, not to punish. I know there are managers on this forum who were treated this way, maybe they will care to admit it, maybe not, but the idea is that dardar was treated like any other manager.

I also think it is interesting to point that dardar has many times canceled offers for his players when he considered these offers were unrealistic. His only fault was that this time he set an IBP over the market price. But how many of you never did this, hoping they will get lucky?

Now, about the 4 managers that were fined today for playing in the same friendly cup although they use the same PC. The rules are very clear on this, and managers who share the same PC (whether they are family, friends or replacing one another) are not allowed to do any transactions and they are not allowed to play together in friendly cups. This is the rule, and it is a good rule from my point of view. These managers were fined, just like the other managers who did the same thing, whether they where Dutch, Romanian or Polish. Yes, I spotted the situation because manager jancarik wrote a message in my guestbook, but if I would have noticed it some other time it would have been the same thing.

I hope this will make things a little more clear for some of you and I am sorry I could not write my message in Czech.

Hezký den.

Thanks for the explanation. I don't know if the fined manager already responded to you, however they mostly care on the teams, where are managers on the vacation. I don't expect they are cheaters - they only wanted to help the friends during the vacation - I believe you have some history tool to verify that. Nevertheless, you are true it is not possible to play this way by game rules and minor penalty fee can be OK or you could do some warning to them or so - this is not the reason why I respond to your message.

I think mostly everybody feels like bigger problem dardar's case. Sheriff should play in transparent and clear way. He shouldn't place IBP for absolutely unrealistic price and hope that "he will be lucky" - as you wrote. Who will judge him? I think most of the managers believe that sheriff would be punished very strictly as he is Tutor of other managers. I personally don't feel problem that some crazy managers bought his player. I feel the problem that sheriff placed absolutely unrealistic IBP. I think many of the managers will try "to be lucky" from now and if somebody buy their player then they always use dardar's case to be innocent, don't you think so?

[zyp]

Ok, I see this is starting to become an issue and I see that the Czech forum is the single forum is SP where bans and sheriff decisions are discussed publicly.

So, to make things clear on the case "dardar". I was the one who detected the case, long before any report was made. The manager who bought that player from dardar made 6 other transfers for important sums in 10 minutes. I banned him, not necessarily because of the high prices, but because this behavior was weird. He never replied to my emails and he continues to be banned. He had 5 more ongoing offers for some players, offers which were canceled. As for the 6 transfers that already took place, we discussed this together with ALL the sheriffs. We did not find any relationship between that manager and any of the 6 other managers, including dardar. He lives in a town situated at 500km from the town dardar lives in and there is no other link between the teams in 3 and a half years.

Considering this, all of the players were evaluated and the transfers were adjusted. In all of the cases, the relative difference between the value of the player and the price that was paid was not larger than 100%. This kind of difference is really something very usual in SP and I am sure many of you managed to sell with 2M a player that they really valued at 1M. Sheriffs do not usually handle cases with such a low difference, but we made an exception in this case. We ALL agreed that the player dardar sold had an average value of 15M. Therefore, the transfer price was adjusted from 28M to 20M, in order to be more close of the average value but still give an advantage to manager dardar who managed to obtain that price playing honestly.

I want to make it clear, that this is not the first case when a transfer was adjusted without blocking the account of the manager involved. Actually, this happens every time a manager makes a report about an unrealistic offer. And every time the sheriffs (or at least I) try to propose a price over the average value because the idea is to prevent, not to punish. I know there are managers on this forum who were treated this way, maybe they will care to admit it, maybe not, but the idea is that dardar was treated like any other manager.

I also think it is interesting to point that dardar has many times canceled offers for his players when he considered these offers were unrealistic. His only fault was that this time he set an IBP over the market price. But how many of you never did this, hoping they will get lucky?

Now, about the 4 managers that were fined today for playing in the same friendly cup although they use the same PC. The rules are very clear on this, and managers who share the same PC (whether they are family, friends or replacing one another) are not allowed to do any transactions and they are not allowed to play together in friendly cups. This is the rule, and it is a good rule from my point of view. These managers were fined, just like the other managers who did the same thing, whether they where Dutch, Romanian or Polish. Yes, I spotted the situation because manager jancarik wrote a message in my guestbook, but if I would have noticed it some other time it would have been the same thing.

I hope this will make things a little more clear for some of you and I am sorry I could not write my message in Czech.

Hezký den.

Thanks for the explanation. I don't know if the fined manager already responded to you, however they mostly care on the teams, where are managers on the vacation. I don't expect they are cheaters - they only wanted to help the friends during the vacation - I believe you have some history tool to verify that. Nevertheless, you are true it is not possible to play this way by game rules and minor penalty fee can be OK or you could do some warning to them or so - this is not the reason why I respond to your message.

I think mostly everybody feels like bigger problem dardar's case. Sheriff should play in transparent and clear way. He shouldn't place IBP for absolutely unrealistic price and hope that "he will be lucky" - as you wrote. Who will judge him? I think most of the managers believe that sheriff would be punished very strictly as he is Tutor of other managers. I personally don't feel problem that some crazy managers bought his player. I feel the problem that sheriff placed absolutely unrealistic IBP. I think many of the managers will try "to be lucky" from now and if somebody buy their player then they always use dardar's case to be innocent, don't you think so?

Nazdárek chlapi, nemohl by to někdo nějak volnějc a stručně přeložit? Neovládám totiž tak dobře angličtinu a myslím si, že nás je takových víc, který to zajímá - moc díkkkk

[Netris1]

Ok, vidím, že se z toho začíná stávat problém a koukám, že české fórum je jediné, kde se BANy a rozhodnutí šerifů řeší veřejně.

Tak, abychom si vyjasnili případ "dardar". Byl jsem to já, kdo ten případ zpozoroval, daleko dříve, než jsme obdrželi první nahlášení přestupu. Ten manažer, co koupil hráče od dardara, udělal šest dalších velkých nabídek během 10 minut. Takže jsem ho zabanoval, ne přímo kvůli těm velkým nabídkám, ale kvůli tomu, že jeho chování bylo podezřelé. Na mé emaily neodpovídal, takže zůstal zabanovaný. Měl 5 dalších nabídek na hráče, které byly zrušeny. Co se týče 6 nabídek, co už byly přijaty, tak jsme to diskutovali se VŠEMI šerify. Nenašli jsme žádnou spojitost mezi tím manažerem a těmi šesti manažery, včetně dardarem. Žije ve městě, které je 500 km daleko od místa, kde žije dardar a za tři a půl roku mezi nimi nebyla žádná jiná spojitost.

Po uvážení tohohle byli všichni hráči ohodnoceni a přestupy byly upraveny. Ve všech případech nebyl rozdíl mezi skutečnou cenou hráče a tím, co ten manažer zaplatil, vyšší než 100 %. Takový obchod je na SP obvyklý a jsem si jistý, že všichni jste určitě někdy prodali hráče za 2M, i když je jeho skutečná hodnota jenom 1M. Šerifové se normálně nestarají o případy s tak malým rozdílem, ale v tomto případě jsme udělali výjimku. VŠICHNI jsme se shodli, že skutečná cena hráče, kterého dardar prodával byla 15M. Takže byla cena upravena z 28M na 20M, aby byla blíž průměrné ceně, ale aby zároveň manažer dardar dostal něco navíc, protože nabídku získal čestně.

Chtěl jsem ujasnit, že tohle není první případ, kde byla cena upravena bez toho, aby byl zabanován zapojený manažer. Popravdě, tohle se stává pokaždé, když manažer nahlásí nerealistickou nabídku. A pokaždé se šerifové (nebo minimálně já) snaží upravit cenu výš, než je průměrná cena hráče, protože idea je prevence, nikoliv trest. Vím, že na tomto fóru jsou manažeři, s kterými jsme takto zacházeli, možná se to bojí přiznat, možná ne, ale myšlenka je taková, že jsme s dardarem zacházeli jako s každým jiným manažerem.

Taky bych měl podotknout, že dardar mnohokrát zrušil nabídku na své hráče, když se mu nabídka zdála nerealistická. Jeho jediná chyba je, že nastavil cenu na okamžitý přestup větší, než je běžná cena. Ale kolik z vás to nikdy neudělalo, místo toho, abyste doufali, že budete mít štěstí?

Teď k těm čtyřem manažerům, které byli dneska potrestání za to, že hráli přátelský turnaj s někým, kdo hraje na stejném PC jako oni. Pravidla jsou v tomto ohledu jasná a všichni, kdo sdílí stejný počítač (ať už to je rodina, přátelé nebo se navzájem zastupují) nemají dovoleno mezi sebou provádět žádné transakce a nesmí hrát společné přátelské turnaje. Takové je pravidlo, a to pravidlo je z mého pohledu dobré. Tito manažeři byli potrestání, stejně jako všichni manažeři, co to dělají, ať už jsou Holanďané, Rumuni nebo Poláci. Ano, zpozoroval jsem tuto situaci, protože manažer jancarik napsal do mé knihy návštěv, ale ať už bych byl upozorněn kdykoliv, tak by to byla stále stejné.

Doufám, že vám to situaci trochu ujasní a omlouvám se, že nemůžu psát česky.

Hezký den.

Překlad pro neagličtináře, neručím za 100% přesnost

[ps2512]

Is it allowed for 2 managers to use the same PC?
Sure! As long as there are no transactions between those teams.

Zde ale nic o přátelských turnajích není. A co vím já, tak se nesmí hrát SOUKROMÉ PŘÁTELSKĚ TURNAJE S VYSOUKOU ČÁSTKOU což je dle mě 100K a víc

[Razvanica]

I don't know if the fined manager already responded to you, however they mostly care on the teams, where are managers on the vacation. I don't expect they are cheaters - they only wanted to help the friends during the vacation - I believe you have some history tool to verify that.

Nobody said they are cheaters. Cheaters get banned, they got a fine.

He shouldn't place IBP for absolutely unrealistic price and hope that "he will be lucky" - as you wrote.

I totally agree with you and I expressed this feeling to the other sheriffs. But, on the other hand, who would have believed that there are crazy managers with 28M to spend? You expect this from new managers, but they only have 5-6M. So I can understand the point of view of someone who says "I don't really need to sell this player, but there are many teams trying to rebuild and maybe one of them likes my player so I will put him on the transfer list with a higher price". I had a player on the transfer list for 10M for 2 months and nobody bought him. He was training and I did not need him to be at 100% morale. I knew he was not worth 10M, but I hoped someone will buy him. Should I be banned for this? Should I quit my position as a sheriff because I hoped a fool will pay the money?

I think many of the managers will try "to be lucky" from now and if somebody buy their player then they always use dardar's case to be innocent, don't you think so?

Well, you know, there are not 100 possibilities. They either get lucky because they get lucky and then there is no problem. Or they "get lucky" because a related team (a second team, a friend's team) makes an offer. And then they will get banned, because we have a relationship between the teams. This doesn't really change anything, because the overpriced transfers that we handle are 4, 5 or 10 times overpaid and nobody gets that lucky (or, if it does, he should report it immediately).

[puzzle]

Z toho co Razvanica napsal, jsem si vzal akorád to, že když částku za okamžitý přestup nehorázným způsoben přestřelíš, někdo ti na to skočí, tak se jenom udáš a oni ti to sníží na víc než je průměr pro takového hráče a vlatně na tom pořád vyděláváš.... Chápete to tak taky?

[mantel]

Oceňuji, že šerif Razvanica je schopen se k danému tématu věřejně vyjádřit, i když s některými závěry nemůžu souhlasit. Nicméně to nic nemění na mém názoru na Dardara, protože dát dvojnásobek reálné ceny na přímý přestup může jen naprostý blb nebo podvodník. Obojí by ho mělo diskvalifikovat ve funkci šerifa.