Šerifské potíže (ban, podvodníci atd.)

[frankie_doparoma]

hh, prej je to vsechno tim ze proste a jednoduse vychodni blok zarli a zavidi mu jeho tym

[Big El]

hh, prej je to vsechno tim ze proste a jednoduse vychodni blok zarli a zavidi mu jeho tym

He.

jiný komentář mě nenapadá

[Hippopotamus]

P.S. Hehe. Remedy stáhnul nabídku, co měl na mého RB. Zajímalo by mě, jestli je to náhoda, nebo důsledek toho, že si Raffin zachrochtal na fóru

O tom silne pochybujem...

[Big El]

My o cheaterovi a cheater zde

Hello, Raffin.

[frankie_doparoma]

P.S. Hehe. Remedy stáhnul nabídku, co měl na mého RB. Zajímalo by mě, jestli je to náhoda, nebo důsledek toho, že si Raffin zachrochtal na fóru

O tom silne pochybujem...

to ja taky, kseft je az na prvnim mist....


jinak stejne je to cely vtipny, jak v jedny sekci fora se nadava na ty druhy v jedny reci a na druhy strane fora naopak a vzajemny akteri si to furt checkuji na translatoru co o nich kdo pise

[Razvanica]

I will not try very hard to defend this decision, I know some agree and others not, and whatever I will say it will not change much. I just want to reply to some of your comments:

- Big El, who always has good arguments, says that he does not agree with me when I say that Raffin is less guilty in this case than the seller. I can understand his point of view, because finally it is Raffin who had the advantage. The point I wanted to make is that Raffin "smelled" a good deal for his team and he went for it. I wouldn't have done it, maybe Big El wouldn't have done it either, but the truth is that most of the managers would have done the same... They were both into this, of course, but in Romania we have a saying that goes like this: "the fool is not the one who asks, but the one who gives"... What I mean is that Raffin could not have done this mess without Hoeselt, but Hoeselt would have easily found someone else instead.

- Tom said from the beginning, here and on the messages we exchanged, that he finds this is similar to the case 'husatko' that involved a large part of the Slovak community. He is perhaps right, there are many similar things. But there is one major difference: husatko bought players for overpriced sums, Hoeselt under-priced them. As I am sure Tom can confirm from his experience, sheriffs never ban managers for "too small" prices (unless there is another link between the teams, of course). Also, as he probably recalls, in the case 'husatko', there was one manager (_michael_ or something like that) who actually bought a player for a very small price from husatko. And at that time the decision of the sheriffs, to which Tom participated, was not to give any penalty to the manager in question. So I would not say, as some claim here, that many other managers were punished for things like this in the past... Sure, this situation is more complicated, because there were three sold players, not one, so some would say there is a link between the teams... All this is to say that I do not consider we had a previous decision on which we could have founded our judgement. There were similar cases in the past, but all of them had major differences from my point of view.

[Hippopotamus]

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Raffin is not banned, Hoeselt should not be banned too.
As you wrote, sheriffs don't ban (only) for underpriced transfers and Hoeselt did nothing else, only sold some players very cheap. He didn't wanted to help to certain manager...but if somebody wrote him he sold his player. Raffin wrote (because he wanted to take advantage), Hoeselt sold. At that moment Hoeselt helped to certain manager (after his request!) and that certain manager gained "unfair" advantage. Both are equally guilty or equally innocent (from my point of view),even Raffin's fault can be more serious. And it means, the same punishments for both managers...

[tom17]

As I am sure Tom can confirm from his experience, sheriffs never ban managers for "too small" prices (unless there is another link between the teams, of course).

Sorry, I cannot confirm it. I personally banned a Czech manager in C (I do not remember his name) for 3 for transactions with another manager for "too small" prices and you authorized it (you can find a topic on the sheriff's forum).

Nevertheless I welcome the decision in Raffin's case.

[oslicek]

já si myslím, že celé je to dané Raffinovou osobností. kdyby napsal prohlášení ve stylu:" naskytla se mi možnost koupě dobrých hráčů za nízkou cenu a pak sem si uvědomil, že je to vlastně unfair, protože několik manažerů za to bylo banováno. tak bych se chtěl omluvit a doufám, že ke mě budou šerifové shovívaví.", tak bysme si asi řekli, že je to vůl, ale uvědomil si aspoň svoji chybu, ale asi by se v tom nikdo moc nepitval. nicméně jeho vyjádření působí dost arogantně.

jak tu někdo psal, snaží se to hrát na nacionalistickou notu. přiznám se, chystal sem se mu poblahopřát, protože minulou sezónu vyhrál spravedlivě a suverénně, ale když sem si rozklikl jeho trejdy, tak sem nevěřil svým očím. nemyslím, že je to nacionalistické. je to dané tím, že spousta manažerů ze Slovenska, Čech a Rumunska za tohle dostala v minulosti bez milosti ban a teď vidí, že někdo za to ban nedostane a ještě se chová dost arogantně, povýšeně, ješitně a uraženě.

hráči z beneluxu za tím vidí komplot, že východní Evropa žárlí na jeho tým a závidí mu. to už si připadám jak někde v mateřské školce...

já si myslím, že by na SP nemělo fungovat elitářství (tj. manažerům v top divizích měřeno jinak než v těch nižších divizích) - tohle rozhodnutí tím trochu podle mě zavání. dokonce si myslím, že by to mělo fungovat přesně naopak - ti hráči v top divizích jdou příkladem, jak se ta hra má hrát a ne být příkladem, jak se má hrát nečestně, tudíž by na ně měli být šerifové přísnější než na zbytek manažerů. lůza (prostí lidé, průměrní občané - dosaďte si sem co chcete) je taková jací jsou lídři. pokud budou lídři špatní, tak bude špatná i lůza. pokud budou hráči v top divizích hrát nečestně, hráči z nižších divizí je budou následovat a budou je používat jako argument. když jim to prošlo, tak proč nám ne? podle mě dost nebezpečný precedens.

[Razvanica]

As I am sure Tom can confirm from his experience, sheriffs never ban managers for "too small" prices (unless there is another link between the teams, of course).

Sorry, I cannot confirm it. I personally banned a Czech manager in C (I do not remember his name) for 3 for transactions with another manager for "too small" prices and you authorized it (you can find a topic on the sheriff's forum).

Nevertheless I welcome the decision in Raffin's case.

Ok, again a similar case, but not quite the same. Just like now, there were 3 transfers between those managers, it's true. But we had two sales for small prices in one way, plus one overpriced offer in the other way (6,49M for a player who was worth around 2M). So intention on both sides was much easier to prove. I looked on the sheriff forum, and my answer was "My opinion is that the ban should stay. It's clear to me that there was intention in this scheme"...

Listen, I'm not saying I wouldn't have agreed with the ban otherwise. You know very well how I handle cases, so I would have probably banned him anyway (and you also know my opinion on this case). I am just saying that the case you mentioned was a little more clear than this one...

[palo]

Možná jsem to tu někde přehlédl - ale kolik teda dělala ta pokuta ?

[Big El]

Možná jsem to tu někde přehlédl - ale kolik teda dělala ta pokuta ?

Pokutu nedostal (pokud vím), ale jeho hráči byli propuštěni (ti nakoupení). Doufám, že s tím, že peníze za ně se mu nevracely...

[PaToM]

Pokutu nedostal (pokud vím), ale jeho hráči byli propuštěni (ti nakoupení). Doufám, že s tím, že peníze za ně se mu nevracely...

Tak prečo ich potom stále má v tíme?
http://www.soccerproject.com/spnewl_spe ... p?tid=3117

[frankie_doparoma]

no mozna propusteni budou, ale v tymu je porad ma

patom bol rychlejsi

[ps2512]

no mozna propusteni budou, ale v tymu je porad ma

patom bol rychlejsi

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