Limit functionality for H league teams.

[Paul_G]

I would guess that about 95% of the cheating, banning, and dirty play related threads are coming from things that are being done by, or done to H level teams.

These problems are either being caused by new owners who don't know what they're doing, or experienced owners who are running multis. We've talked about options and there is no way to prevent owners from doing stupid things, or to prevent them from cheating.

But one way we can limit this is to throw a couple of filters and restrictions on H-League teams as follows.

1. When an H league owner opens the transfer window, the results are filtered so that they can only buy players from other H-League teams or players without teams. Likewise, they can only SELL players to other H-league owners.

2. Same with cups. They can only enter cups that are set up by other H-league teams and only H league teams can view their cups.

3. Created players for new teams should still be good enough to be competitive in G and H leagues, but bad enough so that there is little profit margin in cheating. I propose that a new player on a created team should range in max GR from 50-75, instead of 65-90 like it does now.

No new, honest player should struggle with these restrictions. When I first started playing, I didn't have enough money to buy good players anyway, and there is still flexiblity because they can buy from other H-league owners. And it's not hard at all to get promoted to G league regardless. Pretty much anyone who continues playing moves up by the end of their second season.

I think people will still be able to cheat with this in place, but at least a multi-owner will have to run their team for a month and get them promoted before they can do so. It'll make cheating at least somewhat harder.

[x42bn6]

Too restrictive for new members. It doesn't encourage new players a lot if they can only buy and sell from/to H. Division teams. And a lot of legitimate transfers can go from higher divisions to H. Division teams.

[Zé da Silva]

Also, it doesn't prevent H-teams to cheat (entirely).

An otherwise good idea, though.

[Paul_G]

Well, I look at it like this... how long will a legitimate new player spend in H? Half of the teams in the division are FC teams, and a lot of the owned teams quit before the season ends. I doubt most players are still in H after their first full season. So odds are, it won't feel all that restrictive for a new player because they're still learning the game, working out their lineups, building their stadium up, etc. Don't forget, most new players have more to do than us more established owners.

No online game will ever be completely without cheating. But we should at least make the cheaters have to think and work a little bit. Losing to an intelligent cheater is more palatable to me than losing to some idiot who cheats.

[kennyanu]

1. When an H league owner opens the transfer window, the results are filtered so that they can only buy players from other H-League teams or players without teams. Likewise, they can only SELL players to other H-league owners.

i disagree with you at this point. how can a H-team promote...or make it sale competitive if it can buy only players that it already has? and another thing...most cheaters are already H-teams owners...and they are making another team to buy one of their players on a lot of money

[Red_Army_Squad]

1. When an H league owner opens the transfer window, the results are filtered so that they can only buy players from other H-League teams or players without teams. Likewise, they can only SELL players to other H-league owners.

3. Created players for new teams should still be good enough to be competitive in G and H leagues, but bad enough so that there is little profit margin in cheating. I propose that a new player on a created team should range in max GR from 50-75, instead of 65-90 like it does now.

When I first started (for the second time, because I quit for 2 months), I knew the game much better that I started first time! So I bought some cheap youthplayers from higher teams, not from H teams, just because most managers in H league don't have a good youthcentre. If I would only be able to buy from H teams, I think I would have promoted anyway, but with less good player. And when I would go to the G league, I think I would go back to H, cause the managers who were in G for longer than a season were able to buy good players and I wasn't. So I don't think the first point is really good.

I agree with you on your second point. But the third point is, like the first. When a H team promotes with only players who have an avarage GR of 70%, they will have to buy new players to be able to compete with the 'old' G league managers. So I don't thikn that's a good point either.

I agree that there is some cheating going on in the lower leagues, but I think you shouldn't disadvantage the good managers when you want to eliminate the cheaters!

[silverblast]

Do you have any idea how much raging H-managers will be ringing your bell if this was implemented?
I know your intentions are alright, but this is really suppressing the H-league. By limiting transfers for H-league only, you take away half of all potential buyers and sellers, which also own most of the money.
I think this suggestion, with all the respect, is insane for all new managers. There should be other ways to get around the current probably high rate of cheating.

[Paul_G]

Do you have any idea how much raging H-managers will be ringing your bell if this was implemented?
I know your intentions are alright, but this is really suppressing the H-league. By limiting transfers for H-league only, you take away half of all potential buyers and sellers, which also own most of the money.
I think this suggestion, with all the respect, is insane for all new managers. There should be other ways to get around the current probably high rate of cheating.

Yes... I wouldn't want a bunch of new managers to spam me with bushels of raging messages. I've come to much prefer the brand of spam I get from new managers at the present time, begging me to sell them players at 25% of their value.

I dunno... there are holes in the idea for sure. But hopefully someone will come up with a good plan to restrict cheating without overworking the admins. It is important, long term, that something should be done to restrict cheaters before their teams begin to dominate the game.

[rood]

@Paul
"Yes... I wouldn't want a bunch of new managers to spam me with bushels of raging messages. I've come to much prefer the brand of spam I get from new managers at the present time, begging me to sell them players at 25% of their value."
Are you serious?

This is a "new" technique" for team development!
Human brain it's a tool, and can be used in sooo many ways!
I can understand you perfect now, why you are so against spammers!!!
Can you give us a few quotes? Must be really funny to read some of the messages.

[Paul_G]

@Paul
"Yes... I wouldn't want a bunch of new managers to spam me with bushels of raging messages. I've come to much prefer the brand of spam I get from new managers at the present time, begging me to sell them players at 25% of their value."
Are you serious?

This is a "new" technique" for team development!
Human brain it's a tool, and can be used in sooo many ways!
I can understand you perfect now, why you are so against spammers!!!
Can you give us a few quotes? Must be really funny to read some of the messages.

No... I dont wanna give the impression that the spam I get is all like that. Most of them aren't THAT bad, but I do get one every so often that is actually that bad, where I think... 'What is WRONG with you?' You'd be disappointed though, they aren't very long or eloquent and I delete them pretty quick.

I would like it better if the spammers tried to plead their case. Have you ever seen the mails from Nigerian spammers? You know, "I am Dr. Abu Abasi of the Burkina Faso national bank..."?

Those Nigerian guys at least take a lot of time to write their mails - with all those long words that they don't use quite right - so why can't SP spammers? If that's what they like to do with their time, then at least they can craft some well-written spam. We can simulate being soccer managers, and the SP spammers can simulate being REAL spammers who are trying to get real money. Everyone would be happy then.

[Red_Army_Squad]

So you just want to limit H team managers because they write spam to you? C'mon some managers write a message without knowing they write spam.
I agree that cheating should be stopped, but not this way! I don't know any other solution for it, but I hope the admins (or someone else) will find something against it soon. Until then we should keep things like they are now and we shouldn't limit new managers just because they are new and do not know how to play the game properly.

[Paul_G]

So you just want to limit H team managers because they write spam to you?

Not at all. Read the first couple of sentences of my first post.

Spam is just a mildly irritating side effect to the current transfer system, the problems with which seem to overwhelmingly involve new H League managers and H league multis. My main concern is about potential long term effects to the game.

I don't have anything personal against H league managers... the change that fixes this problem doesn't have to involve limiting H league. Any plan that helps keep SP competitive and winnable for the average player is fine with me... I'm just putting ideas out there.

[rood]

@PAUL

never got any of those mails. Since I am an H manager, I'm not a "target" for them. Yet. But I'm thinking it would be fun to give them an answer with a "mature subject" inside ...Detroit style maybe, or ... I dont know...hehe. I'll think of something.!!!
Can't believe how I miss al the "fun" about this game.
Paul...if you think there is something else that I need to know about the subject , don't hesitate to contact me!

best

[Paul_G]

Paul...if you think there is something else that I need to know about the subject , don't hesitate to contact me!

Nah... I think you're OK. if you're here reading the forums, then you probably know enough about the game to avoid getting ripped off. But if you ever think someone is trying to pull a fast one on you, let me know and we can look it over.

[rood]

thx Paul!