Searching players... (transfer)

[PipkiN]

Do you realy believe it? Sometimes you can find realy talented player hidden on page 10 or deeper.

This is the real true and that is why I don't agree with this add-on. Because if so, then these players will fastly appear to top teams and will be bought for a large amount of money. Nowadays they are hidden as Michal said somewhere in the middle of the transfermarket, with skills above 90.. Disagree with your ideas for implementing

[rood]

@Pipkin and Michal Kejchal

Agree with you guys. This is "theee fun". The chance to find a good player at page 10 or 15. I know this does not sound right for rich teams with a 50 mil or 100 mil budget. I dont think the game is fun anymore for teams like this. But for me with a 1.5 mil budget, this is 50% of the reason why I play this game. Trying to use my little money in a wise way, gives me the motivation to log on again.

@Frrfrr
budy... If you call me (and another 10000 managers) a looser(s) just because I (we) spend 2-3 or 4 hours a day on www.soccerproject.com than you have a problem. Insulting people over the internet is a looser talent. Knowing that a face to face “confrontation” with the insulted one is out of the question, gives you probably, an incredible amount of confidence. I will stop this right here.

Speaking of not heaving a life….trust me, if you know how to manage your free time wisely, you have time for everything. I have a good job (never missed a workday in my life), I go fishing every weekend during spring and summer, I play billiard in a league every Friday night, I race my TRANS AM every two weeks, I BBQ in my backyard with my friends while we “kill”a case of beer and a bottle of Jack Daniels, I do gardening in my backyard, I spend time with my wife (family), I walk my dog, I go to school to Toronto (500 km away) every 2 weeks and I still have time for SP. And you know why? Because I like it.
Because I want my little H team to become a good team. That’s my motivation. Living on the edge is the name of my game. What’s yours? Spending time in a rocking chair, complaining that life sucks and it’s too short? Good luck than!

I apologize for getting a little bit carried away, but "looser" in my english is a bad word. It won’t happen again.

Now I go back trying to transfer some “page 10” players.

Good Luck everybody!

[Paul_G]

You guys are saying that you can find players who could play at levels C and above, on pages 10 and below? Even when sorted by GR?

Maybe I'm wrong... but usually by the end of page one the GR of those players is already around 77. If you get much below that, even if the morale of those players is 0 then it still wouldn't be able to go high enough to be a starter on most upper level teams. I think at D level, you have to have a lineup of players who are all 82-83 at minimum to compete.

Unless you're looking at players who are half-trained or something. Are you guys looking at something that I am not?

[PipkiN]

You guys are saying that you can find players who could play at levels C and above, on pages 10 and below? Even when sorted by GR?

Maybe I'm wrong... but usually by the end of page one the GR of those players is already around 77. If you get much below that, even if the morale of those players is 0 then it still wouldn't be able to go high enough to be a starter on most upper level teams. I think at D level, you have to have a lineup of players who are all 82-83 at minimum to compete.

Unless you're looking at players who are half-trained or something. Are you guys looking at something that I am not?

You are wrong paul.. If you'll have time, take a look at my team. You will find there let's say two interesting players, one named Kaciáò and one named Cetin. I bought these players with not fully trained main skills, somewhere three pages from the bottom of the transfermarket Now, Kaciáò performs 72 and Cetin will perform around 70 without experience. Do you think that only first two pages are huge players? No. As rood says, I love this "page 10" search, too

Because that is "the spell of the managing" for me. Finding brilliant players among many useless, not some poor searching among fully trained players. My budget is not big enough as roods is so I cannot afford these 70+ players for tens of million. I can offer players, untrained players, and I hope they will once grow huge. That is this game for me

[silverblast]

All this doesn't much matter, anyway. The only thing that really makes a difference is GR. Skills that are important to a certain position are already weighted in. If you buy a midfielder with a passing of 92 and low everything else that adds up to a GR of 68, then you're still buying a crappy player.

So in fact, why complain that a search would make it easy? It's already made as easy as possible with the GR rating. That's why us despicable E level and above owners don't spend a lot of time sifting through players looking for a high skill in one area - because doing so is just a waste of time. You need balanced players to have success.

Being able to filter all the high agression players would make it easy, yes.
Being able to filter players that already have a high experience (thus lower growing ratio) would make it easy, yes.
Being able to filter players with low headskills, and then filter the ones with high global ratings, would make it easy, yes.

If you would want to let out these possibilities... what is the use of putting a filter in the first place?

I believe the current system is quite honest and demands a certain time input if you want a successful transfer policy, which is logical.
I certainly believe other things are more important now.

[Paul_G]

Because that is "the spell of the managing" for me. Finding brilliant players among many useless, not some poor searching among fully trained players. My budget is not big enough as roods is so I cannot afford these 70+ players for tens of million. I can offer players, untrained players, and I hope they will once grow huge. That is this game for me

This is well put. In that event I am also against filters. I'll have to change my approach to transfers.

Now, when looking at youths, yes, I would go below page one. Because then I'm looking at a view that is GR from lowest to highest and the youths with the high hidden skills will not be on page one. But I never tried doing a comprehensive search before. This is exactly the type of thing I like doing on Championship Manager and OOTP Baseball, so if I can find good players like that then it will add a new dimension for me.

[Frrfrr]

rood> i am not sure if you read what i wrote ... loosers with no real life exchange it for SP money ... if you got no real life you looser in my eyes. what the hell you countering vs my opinion? you have some life? be happy and enjoy it!
btw if you say 10000 managers play 2-4 hours per day then just those players would have to play SP 30000 hours a day, what means (having in mind there are some simulations) there should be constantly over 1500 managers online ... in peak times it should be over 3000! with no other players online
update your math skills seeing real online people throughout whole day ...
i will not make my personal opinion about you like you made publicly about me. enjoy it

to other counterers of this feature who spend over 2 hours a day with SP>
yes even when you get your life you change it for SP money. not all players - and i would say majority does not have +1 hour to play SP
just make easy statistics with total players vs players online in average. adjust it by cca 1500 players playing like rood - 2-4 hours and you get easy average time spent by 1 player - is less then fifteen minutes, maybe even less! so means you get success, while majority does not spend so much time and you want to keep this advantage sticking to old rules.
i understand you happy with this thats why you defend it. but in real having same time like majority it could show you not so skilled ...
thats why any progress in this game interface will counter your time advantage and success and is against your own interests thats why i dont expect you may ever support it

but the players spending those fifteen minutes would start to feel they still have chance even not spending so much time .... in reality this feature would support players in G, H leagues. the successfull ones dont need it much while anyway they spend lots of time, which brings them SP money and success.

[PipkiN]

Spend time - have good players. Stupid add-ons keeping your free time.. Quit playing SP if you want more free time ! But I think most managers like the searching as it is now ! Not some stupid formula causing rich clubs buying every single huge player, leting poorer teams buying shits !

I know FrrFrr that you club is rich, but if you want good players, go and search them! You want SP to make your manager work for you, with this in, the whole game will go to hell ...

There will then be top 100 rich teams buying everyone they want to and the rest will be fighting D-H without any chance of promoting higher than C .. No forever for something like this !

[Frrfrr]

Pipkin> exactly as you say "There will then be top 100 rich teams buying everyone they want"

BUT THERE ARE SUCH PLAYERS ALSO NOW AND THEY BUY ALMOST ALL BEST PLAYERS ANYWAY!

blocking the progress will not prevent them to get rich or whatever if they skilled ... the players maybe you buy the best teams even not recognise ever to get

to become rich now means heavy brousing, understanding the market. all of this proposal is just about it takes less time from your personal life to play this game instead dumb cliking!

and pls dont speak about majority what is better for them unless you ask those all people ... migh be you would get surprised.

and btw i imagine hell differently then you i hope you just wanted to say my proposal sux

[rood]

@Frrfrr and only @ Frrfrr…

1. My math skills are updated at the max. I have a Master in Mechanical Engineering and a Diploma in Professional Communication.
2. I exaggerated a bit the numbers up there for a good reason. I deem that you have offended, without a reason, plenty of people out there. Only on this topic there are 7 guys out of 10 against this, so called transfer market “improvement”. This is more than 50%.
Extrapolate by yourself and you’ll see the big picture. In mathematics, to extrapolate, it’s a process of deducting new data points based on a small set of known data points. If you don’t believe me, go and double check your “skills”.
3. Let the people play this game their own way. Your way is not the only one!
4. In Canada we “speak our mind” every time we feel insulted.
5. English is very easy to learn, but is very hard to handle; so use with care!
6. H league managers are people too. Young or old, some are smart, some aren’t. I know you call them cheaters, losers or scum. But don’t forget that the same H league managers buy the 28 and up, years old players that you don’t need anymore for ridiculous amounts of money. And don’t forget that the same managers are responsible with the traffic on this website.
7. SPMT is more than enough as a tool. Too much I would say.
8. Don’t give a damn if somebody who spends 10 minutes a day playing SP wants to have the same results like the one who spend 2 hours. That’s why this is a strategy game.
If you want to save some time try the race games. They are really fast.
9. Practice makes you perfect.
10. In the end I have an idea for transfer market improvement. Why don’t they put together a search engine, “Google” like, just for you? This way you can set up a few alerts (for example: CM, 88% minimum, 5% agrs.) and your max offer …lets say 45 mils. This will be a great deal of time saver for you, Frrfrr! You don’t even have to log on daily. Just once a week will do just fine. (or will do the gig if you prefer a “dusty” language) How about that for a change? Is it comfortable enough for you, Frrfrr?

Maybe I was too aggressive in my first msg. I apologize for that. As for the second one, I took it personally.
In case you can’t fully understand the meaning of this msg., I can translate it in german, romanian or french. Just decide on one of them.

I wish you guys a good night and the best of luck in the next game!

rood

[Frrfrr]

rood>

you take things too personally ... i have nothing vs you ... i try write things as i see them. if you too sensitive for it ... i am sorry ...

i never said anything bad about H league ... you are missreading again ... the tool should most help them in my opinion ... just imagine they could use it and make the search for a player with no skill over 50 + some agr constrain ... this would be huge improvement of their searching just choosing checking price .... without need of dumb tons of klicks

you say "7 guys out of 10 against this" i fully understand it as i stated in above post while this game interface would counter your time advantage and success in this game so logically you are against this ... while this would mean you need to change and improve your playstyle, what maybe hurts ...

but you dont represent gameplay majority, you represent only small part of people, who play this game while only very small portion of people play it over 3 hours a day!

i know the limits of admin ... so even the google search engine would be perfect (exagerating a bit , step by step small improvements would help greatly ....

the rest of your post i could not find more to comment ...

[PipkiN]

Frrfrr I don't know if you don't see or if you don want to see the major problem of this "tool". It will be a huge tool for the richest club, why don't you understand ? Searching agr<10, passing,playmaking >90 and whoop - player from page 10 appears. Because he has only main skills trained, he will appear. Now ? You have to search him. Spend your time searching and clicking. If you don want to search, quit playing. I am starting to be a little annoyed about laziness of some managers, who are trying to implement some "tools" just to feel more comfortable.

Searching & clicking - the way to find nice player hidden on the transfer list.
Searching tool - the way for rich clubs to find these hidden player immediately, letting poorer teams not able to buy anyone good.
Realize this, Frrfrr, your club is rich, I know, and that is why you want this. You are annoyed by searching, you want something that will search instead of you. But without chance of getting someone good & hidden somewhere between page 5 and page 15, I will quit this game, because my team (and 99% of the teams,too) will loose its competitive strenght definitely.

EDIT: I'll start a topic about this idea on CZ forum, let's see which "minority" rood represents

[Frrfrr]

Pipkin>
if i want such a kind of player as you describe - +90+90agr<10, then i get it, unless the guy is in my eyes cheater and sells it to his friend for some low price / or there is also another reason to give up him, but i keep it secret for now - but we discussed it already before ...
this is the easiest to search for such a players and you need cca 20 mins / day to get this under control
buying such a players only will however not mean you get the best players or it does not mean you get best team or you get to the top league! this your assumption is wrong!
searching mode, however would allow much more searching strategies and optimising, not only the one you just mentioned ... thats pity you dont see it
and check on forum ... yes this might help ... but add people who left due to realising this game needs hell of time to become good and much less smartness. i just wonder why you want to keep it manual demanding game instead of strategy based game ... yes i prefer thinking to kliking

[PipkiN]

Pipkin>
if i want such a kind of player as you describe - +90+90agr<10, then i get it, unless the guy is in my eyes cheater and sells it to his friend for some low price / or there is also another reason to give up him, but i keep it secret for now - but we discussed it already before ...
this is the easiest to search for such a players and you need cca 20 mins / day to get this under control
buying such a players only will however not mean you get the best players or it does not mean you get best team or you get to the top league! this your assumption is wrong!
searching mode, however would allow much more searching strategies and optimising, not only the one you just mentioned ... thats pity you dont see it
and check on forum ... yes this might help ... but add people who left due to realising this game needs hell of time to become good and much less smartness. i just wonder why you want to keep it manual demanding game instead of strategy based game ... yes i prefer thinking to kliking

No, you prefer you budget. You prefer money power instead of clicking. And you won get this player, if he will be hidden in the middle of the transfer list. Why ? Because you are annoyed by clicking and you won't get in there. It is too far and too much clicking. That is the main reason for me to keep the system as it is - to keep people like you clicking. You say that you are not satisfied and want a search mode? I know why - because you want these players without clicking. If you want them, spend your time.

Now I really hate your idea, because I find you lazy with your budget and your only will is to have huge players without work(time spent on TL).

[rood]

@Frrfrr
Yes I do take this personally because the msg was addressed “to rood”. Watch your English skills! See my post above! Otherwise I don’t have I don’t have anything against you either.
More then that, fortunately or unfortunately maybe, I know we do have one thing in common. That will be our opinion about cheaters and fast transf. But that’s it. I still consider this just a debate and I will not agree with you in a million years. Period.

I’ve never said that I am the majority, I am not even a “small part of people”. I am just one. The majority I was talking about is 7 out of 10. This is the majority. Mathematically speaking.
Can’t help not to extract another passage from your post : “ while only very small portion of people play it over 3 hours a day”. If they are such a “very small portion of people”, why do we waist our time here talking about a “small portion of people” that play SP for 10 minutes a day. They are the minority here! Are you still with me? Ok! So, as a minority they can quit the game, you as well. The game will exists with or without you, or that “small portion of people”.

Improving my play style does not hurt. (another insult , but I will skip it). I do improve my play style and my strategy every day. I have great mentors and they help me a lot. Only 12 days ago I won against the league leader (his only defeat), with my team rating 11% under his. Let me tell you something….that was pure strategy.
In the end a tiny recommendation if you allow me of course. Instead of spending your precious time here on this forum, you could do some “dumb clicking” and find some bonus players for your sooo brilliant team. But, yeah, I know…you hate this. Since I’ve started to quote you so often, I thing you will become pretty soon a “classical” of SP Forum, like Hugo or Balzac.

@Pipkin
I will open a topic about this on Romanian and German forum for the same reason as you do.
Please, and I insist, pleeeease let me know what CZ managers think about this, since I can’t understand your language. I thank you in advanced for that!

Good luck everybody!